Umm..I am getting "Islamic State of Germany" ads as youtube commericals this morning.

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  1. TUEP

    TUEP

    Apr 8, 2007
    Disclaimer: This is nothing against or for religion. Maybe cultural.

    I am seeing ads on youtube vids about the Islamic State of Germany. With Muslims in and around German cities. The ads seem a little strange as they are in English but some of the test has misspellings. Also when one thinks of Islamic State (not the religion but the politics.) One thinks of the problems in Syria but rebel groups. Anyone know what this is about?
     
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  2. Immigrant

    Immigrant In Memoriam

    YOU know what it's about. The people in Michigan knows what it's about.

    I try to like everyone but if they put their name on my town, that's a takeover. No.
     
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  3. TUEP

    TUEP

    Apr 8, 2007
    Please inform me. Cause I am wondering what it was about.
     
  4. hrodbert696

    hrodbert696 Moderator Staff Member

    Sounds to me like a classic example of what is commonly known as "propaganda." Not to be too technical or anything.

    There has been a whole motif in the US blogosphere/social media world of supposed "creeping Shari'a," whipping up anti-Muslim sentiment with the claim that "they" are "taking over" blah blah blah. I remember deciding to look into one of these, a report that Muslims in a suburb of Detroit had become a majority of the population there and "taken the first steps to implement Shari'a law."

    So I went and actually did some research on the town.

    Here's what I found: yes, there is a town (Hamtramck, MI) which now has a population that is majority Muslim. The Muslim population is divided between two groups, Yemenis and Bangladeshis, who don't speak the same language (other than English) and have very little to do with each other, so they don't form any real voting bloc. Twelve years ago they petitioned the city council for permission to sound the call to prayer publicly from their mosques. They were given permission to do so provided that city noise ordinances were not violated.

    Twelve years ago. That's the extent of "creeping Shari'a" - the same as a Catholic church ringing its bells. Go get your torches and pitchforks, boys.
     
  5. DiabolusInMusic

    DiabolusInMusic Functionless Art is Merely Tolerated Vandalism

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  6. Killed_by_Death

    Killed_by_Death Snaggletooth Inactive

    How Ironic!
     
  7. cfsporn

    cfsporn

    Aug 20, 2011
    New York City
    Where are you located? Have you recently been researching anything relating to Islam, The Middle East, or Germany?
     
  8. German TBer here.
    If you could provide a link, I'd look into it (feel free to use PM).
    I have not heard anything about an "Islamic State of Germany."
     
  9. TUEP

    TUEP

    Apr 8, 2007
    It's popped up as one of those 15 second ads on youtube.
     
  10. TUEP

    TUEP

    Apr 8, 2007
    I am in the US, and yes I am aware of the immigration issues in Europe, and the various other problems in the Middle East.
     
  11. DiabolusInMusic

    DiabolusInMusic Functionless Art is Merely Tolerated Vandalism

    I think he was referring to your browser history moreso than your personal knowledge on the subject. What you look up will influence what your ads are.
     
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  12. cfsporn

    cfsporn

    Aug 20, 2011
    New York City
    Exactly
     
  13. 96tbird

    96tbird PLEASE STAND BY

    Here's more horrible propaganda perpetrated right on U.K. tv on the BBC. don't know what to think about all of this.
     
  14. Immigrant

    Immigrant In Memoriam

    YouTube ads. I'm not sure how they are geared- I know Google ads are placed depending on my browser history, but YouTube works that way also? I know they are part of Google, but I'm pretty sure most ads I see (or skip) on YouTube have nothing to do with what I've searched for in the past. They seem pretty random. But I've been wrong (many times) before.

    And possibly the segment I saw on 60 Minutes a couple of years ago was propaganda, but I don't think so. (Muslim) men were patrolling the streets at night and threatening people who weren't dressed "properly" or women who were walking alone, etc., and it was Michigan. Nobody should have to put up with that.

    There was also a segment on 60 Minutes this past Sunday about American youths who were taken by ISIS videos and tried to travel to Syria.

    Sorry fellas. I see it as a real threat to society. Maybe I'm just a fraidy cat, but it has me worried about the future.*

    * no, not for my sake silly.
     
  15. Is anyone else having internet trouble in general today, specifically with TB? Sure seems to be performing oddly, shutting itself down intermittently. I'm not seeing anything unusual on YT (have it on pretty regularly streaming at my house...still mostly "propaganda" from local political races between vids). Since IS is considered a terrorist group pretty much the world over, I can't see YT allowing them to run ads, but maybe something I don't know? Are we heading toward another global internet hack? (It was a chore to post Thisbe because TB is acting weird)
     
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  16. charlie monroe

    charlie monroe Gold Supporting Member

    Feb 14, 2011
    Buffalo, NY
    Well, this thread has a limited shelf life...
     
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  17. TUEP

    TUEP

    Apr 8, 2007
    I mainly look up stuff on basses, CNN, and old TV shows or re-runs. Nothing about Islam unless I see it on a news site like CNN or BBC.
     
  18. knumbskull

    knumbskull

    Jul 28, 2007
    UK
    i remember some guy on here claiming that the area i live in was a "no go zone" for non-Muslims like me. you can imagine my surprise on learning this, as i go there quite regularly.
     
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  19. hrodbert696

    hrodbert696 Moderator Staff Member

    This is a matter of being careful about correct classification and a sense of proportion. Are there Muslims who do bad things? Absolutely. Are there Muslims who do bad things because that's what they interpret their religion to require or to justify? Absolutely. Is this behavior or mindset typical of the average Muslim? No. Is there a vast international conspiracy of Muslims to overthrow western civilization? Only in the wet dreams of radicals and the paranoid fantasies of westerners. Are Muslims uniquely predisposed to these kinds of criminality in a way that practitioners of other religions or no religion aren't? No.

    There was, for instance, a horrific case in the UK recently, IIRC a human-trafficking/child prostitution ring. The perpetrators were Muslim and they deliberately targeted non-Muslim girls for their victims. It was horrible and there's no doubt that religious identities were a factor in how this group operated. When I talk about propaganda, however, it's the process of dishonestly framing these horrors in way that makes it look as though this one criminal ring is somehow representative of the whole Muslim population (as though there were no non-Muslim human traffickers) or as though the existence of this or other bad behaviors poses an existential threat to our entire society, and therefore justifies paranoia, violence, or prejudice on the part of society against them.

    You can get an illuminating comparison if you look at how Italian immigrants to the US were depicted around the turn of the 20th century. They were all anarchists, terrorists, criminals, mobsters, and they followed this weird foreign religion where they all had to do whatever the pope told them, so they were a fifth column that couldn't possibly function in a democratic society. That was about as true of Italian immigrants in 1916 as it is of Middle Eastern immigrants in 2016.
     
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