Used Carvin Prices?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Mamoru, Jun 14, 2021.


  1. Mamoru

    Mamoru

    Jan 23, 2019
    Have you all checked out the used Carvin prices nowadays?

    What was never north of 1k now has many priced closer to 2k (just glanced on reverb).

    It appears I should have held off on selling my Carvins.

    Their resale value has definitely gone way up. They were somewhat of a steal before. Now, priced right, maybe?
     
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  2. lowdownthump

    lowdownthump

    Jul 17, 2004
    I bought 2 different SB5000 within the past 6 months. One was $850 , the other $750. I sent the more expensive one back as it was in rougher condition. The other was mint condition and had every feature I wanted including the original hard case . The other had no case .
     
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  3. Sid the Kid

    Sid the Kid Supporting Member

    Jun 7, 2013
    Illinois
    You sold your Carvin at the right time, somebody bought it. I imagine you were more happy with whatever you got than keeping the Carvin to sell for marginal gain.

    I would not be surprised to see these high dollar Carvins remaining unsold due to their high price. Just because people are asking an incredible amount does not suddenly make them worth said amount.

    These days you’ll find the best used bass bargains seem to be around $2K, where you can choose from a brand new bass or a used custom. Golden age of the internet has killed used deals.
     
  4. Mamoru

    Mamoru

    Jan 23, 2019
    $700 to $900 seems about right, IMO.

    Agree that asking price is not selling price, but there seems to be a lot of them with the higher pricetag.

    I've always felt Carvins were a great value with the prices a while back. Not so sure with the current prices.
     
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  5. Dr. Cheese

    Dr. Cheese Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Metro St. Louis
    My SB5000 was $900 used. To get the equivalent Kiesel JB5 new would be $1,674. That is still $600 cheaper than a Fender Ultra.:)
     
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  6. Eilif

    Eilif Holding it down in K-Town. Supporting Member

    Oct 1, 2001
    Chicago
    I'd have to see sold prices before assessing that prices have gone up. I think there have always been some folks trying (usually unsuccessfully) to get top dollar.

    Maybe the cheap ones are just sold out from all the at-home covid buying?
     
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  7. Floppystrings

    Floppystrings

    Apr 5, 2019
    I remember seeing Carvin 6 strings for around $700 at one point.

    I never thought that company would basically end, it was like the most stable stock on the market and we all know how that can go.

    Nothing last forever, even diamonds turn to graphite with enough time.
     
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  8. mmbongo

    mmbongo Regular Human Bartender Supporting Member

    Aug 5, 2009
    Carolinas
    What? Carvin hasn't gone anywhere. Just changed back to the family name.
    www.kieselguitars.com
     
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  9. hrodbert696

    hrodbert696 Moderator Staff Member

    Yeah, I agree - listed prices are not the same thing as sold prices. Carvin/Kiesel has the problem of any custom instrument when it comes to resale - why should I pay for your custom dream instrument, when for a couple hundred bucks more I could buy MY custom dream instrument direct from the maker? I think there are a number of people who don't get that, who spent two thousand bucks on their fantasy instrument and then later want to sell it and assume they can get something back comparable to what they spent on it.

    Just for fun, I looked at the current Reverb page for used Carvins. Several of the higher-priced ones are from a seller in Switzerland and currency conversion may be pushing the prices up (they're also listing shipping to me at over $400). There's a six-string that looks to be an LB76, which Kiesel doesn't make any more. I went on their site to try to recreate the design as close as I could, which wound up being an Icon 6. The Reverb listing for the LB76 is $2150: the new price for an Icon with similar specs came out to $2154. There may have been some features on that LB76 that would have pushed its new price up a few hundred bucks, but still -- I'd be surprised if that bass sold at that price anytime soon.
     
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  10. Floppystrings

    Floppystrings

    Apr 5, 2019
    So like I was saying, RIP Carvin, you will be missed.

    Carvin is still around like Steinberger is still around, or Tobias, in the used section on reverb.
     
  11. two fingers

    two fingers Opinionated blowhard. But not mad about it. Gold Supporting Member

    Feb 7, 2005
    Eastern NC USA
    You seem cranky today. :cool:

    Kiesel/Carvin is a completely different situation from Steinberger and Tobias. Those companies sold to other companies, who then cheapened their products.

    Kiesel didn't buy Carvin. Kiesel is essentially the guitar/bass division of Carvin. Kiesel split from the parent company. It's the same people making the same products. Most of the models are even the same.

    Surely you can see the difference, right?

    As to the OP, yes. Carvin prices are ridiculous right now in most cases.
     
  12. mmbongo

    mmbongo Regular Human Bartender Supporting Member

    Aug 5, 2009
    Carolinas
    Well not really. The difference is Steinberger and Tobias were bought out by a large corporation, then basically shut down, then they started putting the names on cheap overseas mass produced guitars.

    Carvin/Kiesel is still ran by basically the same people who have ran it since Mark Kiesel took over the guitar side in 1971-ish. Now his son Jeff is running it but Mark is still there. They still make guitars the same way they always have. In fact, the build sheet and production sticker for my 2017 Osiris bass looks identical to the one that was on my 1992 LB76 build. They still have the same systems in place!

    Not to mention...they still make basses with the Carvin name on them. So if you want a Carvin, you can still order one.
     
  13. Floppystrings

    Floppystrings

    Apr 5, 2019
    I understand what you are saying, and yeah I am definitely cranky today. Apologies.

    I'm not a Kiesel fan, and I would suggest anyone interested take a tour of all the forums with threads warning people about some of the things they do.
     
  14. Leonid Nidis

    Leonid Nidis

    Jan 1, 2018
    There are people on reverb trying to sell stuff 50% higher than they cost new all the time.
    But now with the pandemic excuse they may actually find a sucker.
     
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  15. Templar

    Templar Supporting Member

    Interesting. I had no idea, good to know!

    Can you cite an example of something they do that people should be warned about?

    I've never ordered a new bass from Carvin/Kiesel, but I've thought about it. Maybe I should think thrice?
     
  16. TheReceder

    TheReceder

    Jul 12, 2010
    Mn.
    Somewhat happy to say the didn't end. More like the rift in the family caused a split. Kiesal still makes some nice stuff. Can't say I've played them, but like someone above said... check the forums. Custom Shop USA Basses | KieselGuitars.com

    As for The "Carvin" side... (Amplifiers/Electronics) I'm still on the fence as to what level of quality their new assortment of random stuff is at. Carvin Amps and Audio- Gear For Musicians and Sound Professionals (carvinaudio.com) I was a long time supporter that now has a pile of gear that will forever be branded as junk because of the company declaring bankruptcy.

    (EDIT) Apologies to everyone who's info I duplicated... the price of mistakenly thinking I know more than anyone else.... something my wife accurately accuses me of regularly. :)
     
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  17. MCS4

    MCS4 Supporting Member

    Sep 26, 2012
    Fort Lauderdale, FL
    As a long time Carvin and Kiesel user, my impression is that two factors are combining here:
    • Anecdotally, it absolutely seems that instruments in the Kiesel era seem to retain their resale value better than previously, when Carvins were notorious for low resale values. Kiesel simply seems to have more clout in the online market than Carvin ever did, probably because Kiesel has become fairly popular in the influencer-musician market on sites like YouTube. It certainly seems logical to expect that at least some of this benefit may also extend to used Carvin-branded instruments among those who are aware that it is the same company.
    • Separate and aside from Carvin/Kiesel, used instrument prices have drastically increased during COVID, and "asking" prices for used instruments have increased even more so.
     
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  18. lowdownthump

    lowdownthump

    Jul 17, 2004
    Some of the used Carvin models are highly sought after. When they come for sale they move pretty quickly and have no problem fetching asking price . They are worth every penny and then some.
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    My SB5000 is an example .
     
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  19. Floppystrings

    Floppystrings

    Apr 5, 2019
    Warning people about customer service, see video:

     
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  20. mmbongo

    mmbongo Regular Human Bartender Supporting Member

    Aug 5, 2009
    Carolinas
    Isn’t this the same guy that made a follow up video and admitted pretty much everything he said was wrong?
     
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