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Valeton Dapper Bass, right choice for first effect?

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by tyohars, May 8, 2018.


  1. tyohars

    tyohars

    Nov 11, 2016
    I always playing clean, even I have a behringer overdrive. Bit, lately I'm intrigued to play with some effect. After looking here and there, I think I want to buy Valeton Dapper Bass. What do you think about that effect? Since it'll be my first effect (the behringer was given). I'm open for any other suggestions btw.
     
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  2. Bigwan

    Bigwan

    Feb 22, 2002
    Ballymena (hey)
    I'd start with one of the Zoom units, B1on, MS60B, B3n.
     
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  3. tyohars

    tyohars

    Nov 11, 2016
    From those only B3n intrigued me, but it's more expensive than Valeton
     
  4. Try B1on, or B1xon with pedal. (Relatively) cheap, and gives plenty of space to fiddle with effects.
    I learned it a little hard way, first you need to know what effects you need, then buy them because you need them. My B1Xon ended up as home practice / annoy-a-neighbor device, because I cannot squeeze it into any context so far. Closest shot is when I use it as compressor. Not even a tuner because I like clip-on better.
     
  5. tyohars

    tyohars

    Nov 11, 2016
    What I really need is just an octave, boost, and fuzz. Which one has all of them?
     
  6. B1on should have them
    https://www.zoom.co.jp/sites/default/files/products/downloads/pdfs/E_B1on_B1Xon_FX-list_100_0.pdf
    Some notes:
    Octave is only octave low with "Ba Octave" effect. Is a bummer for me, since I wanted to support harmonic parts without losing bass when guitarist went solo.
    Boost can be done simply with master volume, and there are some effects that do it, but I never used it, since signal is not getting weaker inside emulated effects chain. For boost sound I cannot tell.
    Fuzz: One fuzz effect with blend; when I try to use it I lose too much bottom, but I didn't really try to nail the settings. Plus some distortion, bit crush, and other noise making facilities.
    If you can try it in store there are presets that have these effects set up as intended by creators.
     
  7. DDXdesign

    DDXdesign formerly 'jammadave' Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 15, 2003
    Wash DC metro area
    The Bass Dapper has the advantage of all being right there laid out in front of you (and analog I believe), while the Zooms are digital and especially the smaller guys like the B1s have menus and things to sort through.

    The Zoom B3 (you wouldn't need the N) can be had for less than the Bass Dapper and is kind of a hybrid - you can use it in 'stompbox mode' where the three little screens are laid out like three individual pedals, with their own knobs. Little bit of menu digging, but not too bad. Has LOTS of effects to choose from, BUT the octavers are not the best.

    Dapper doesn't have Fuzz, though, really. It's got the fuzz built into the filter section (dirty Q). The whole unit sounds pretty good.

    it's all a compromise.
     
  8. TheEmptyCell

    TheEmptyCell Bearded Dingwall Enthusiast Supporting Member

    Jul 16, 2005
    Los Angeles, CA
    No. Bad choice. Buy something like an MS60B or Zoom B3(n) used. The effects in the Valeton will be subpar compared even to brand name digital multieffects which are often compared subpar to individual analogue effects.
     
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  9. tyohars

    tyohars

    Nov 11, 2016
    Thank you for your input. I think I'll check the zoom. If I don't like it, I'll go with individual pedal instead
     
  10. sigterm

    sigterm ;) ;) ;), love y'all

    Feb 5, 2003
    Atlanta G of A
    Bass Fly Rig has those, and a DI and headphone jack. I owned it and loved it for a long while but traded it for a fiver.
     
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  11. honeyiscool

    honeyiscool

    Jan 28, 2011
    San Diego, CA
    I got a Valeton multi effects mod pedal recently. For the price and feature set, it is absolutely amazing and is the cherry on top for a pedal board that has a lot of effects. For an only pedal, ha no.
     
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  12. clickclack

    clickclack

    Jan 20, 2018
    I used to make some analog effects and such from schematics and like playing with component values etc. but after getting the MS60B, I find no use in most of them to be honest. Yes, it's digital but every signal turns to digital at some point and definitely at the end when it's recorded. So what? Nothing magical is happening in old analog circuits that can't be done digitally. And yes, it's not 100% emulation yet but it doesn't have to be the exact same. Many old analog effects changed through the years too and didn't actually sound exactly the same too. Mostly because of component availability and economy of scale reasons rather than superior engineering choices.
     
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  13. I've been quite impressed with my Valetone Bass Dapper. I play in 70s covers bands where there is only a very occasional need for effects. I own some lovely (and very expensive) pedals but in truth all I take to gigs these days is the Valeton.

    The built-in effects cover everything I ever really need, the controls are so limited that there is little temptation to waste time on stage fiddling with them, and everything in a single micro-pedal board takes up less room.

    The only thing missing that I wish it had is a battery option.
     
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  14. Mosfed

    Mosfed

    Apr 21, 2013
    Washington DC
    Partner - CCP Pedals
    It kinda looks like the Tech21 unit?

    I don’t know - it looks cool enough. The Zoom units definitely get more love.

    I personally prefer individual pedals but I doubt the audience can tell the difference, they are a comparative hassle and much more expensive.
     
  15. tyohars

    tyohars

    Nov 11, 2016
    Okay, now I'm a little bit curious. I want a fuzz and want to buy a big muff (open for suggestion for this). But, looking at my brother's amps, I want to upgrade my amp (mine is just cheapo Laney). I never bring my amp to gig, so which one should I buy, amp or pedal? Honestly, I know the answer, I want a pedal. But, I need advice, is it good move? Or I better buy the amp?
     
  16. BassikLee

    BassikLee Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 13, 2004
    Deltona, FL
    Owner: Brevard Sound Systems
    I like the Dapper Bass quite a bit. I have one that lives in the pocket of my go-to gig bag. It's a great quick hit all in one pedal. I had the bass fly rig, and returned it. I much prefer the Valeton. That being said, I did just get the Tech21 dug pedal for my larger effects board.
     
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  17. 4StringsEnough

    4StringsEnough

    Mar 9, 2008
    The Bass Dapper is awesome.
    Have you actually tried the Dapper? "Will be sub par" suggests you may not have done. In which case, can I politely suggest you keep your preconceptions to yourself and refrain from commenting when someone needs advice. If you've tried it and didn't like it, fair enough. But if you haven't then you have no right to input on its capabilities.

    It is, in fact, a pretty wonderful unit well worthy of anyone's attention. And, as an introduction to effects, it's far more appropriate to most people than a more complicated multi effect. YMMV.
     
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  18. pudgychef

    pudgychef In Memoriam

    Jan 22, 2005
    Chongqing, China
    I would take this as a solid endorsement...this TBer has a lot of experience with similar pedals etc.
     
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  19. pudgychef

    pudgychef In Memoriam

    Jan 22, 2005
    Chongqing, China
    For a fun intro to effects that doubles as a great practice tool, the $50 for a zoom B1On is worth it.
     
  20. DDXdesign

    DDXdesign formerly 'jammadave' Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 15, 2003
    Wash DC metro area
    what's funny about the Dapper, I noticed, is that under the tuner display it says "hold for tuner" - but doesn't say which button to hold!
     
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