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Vintage SVT vs SVT 2 Pro: Can you identify the old guy?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by StuartV, Feb 2, 2014.

  1. Clip 3 is the vintage SVT

    21 vote(s)
  2. Clip 6 is the vintage SVT

    17 vote(s)
  3. They both sound the same

    2 vote(s)
  4. They sound different, but I don't know which is which

    21 vote(s)
  5. Carrots, or, your playing sucks so bad I can't tell

    18 vote(s)
  1. StuartV

    StuartV Finally figuring out what I really like Supporting Member

    Jul 27, 2006
    Manassas, VA
    I finally got around to comparing my early 70s SVT to my 2005 (I think), MIA SVT 2 Pro. Here are some sound clips. Can you tell which is which?

    One amp is a black line SVT with all vintage tubes except the power tubes which are new production.

    The other amp is an SVT 2 Pro with all its original tubes (as far as I know).

    Both amps were set with all EQ flat (i.e. nooned).

    The 2 Pro had Drive turned all the way down and Master Volume turned all the way up. Graphic EQ turned off.

    Both amps had all the Ultra Hi, Lo, etc., turned off.

    The cab is a brand new Ampeg Heritage 810.

    The bass is an EBMM Sterling 5 H in Parallel mode.

    The recorder is an Olympus LS-10 set to record in 44kHz, 16-bit.

    The cab, recorder, and amps were not moved in between takes. Only the speaker cable was unplugged and replugged from one amp to the other.

    Clip 3:

    Clip 6:
  2. Eminor3rd

    Eminor3rd BLAAAAARRGGHH!!

    Feb 10, 2008
    Allentown, PA
    No idea which is which, but the first clip sounds way better. Louder too.
  3. I'm going with 3 is the 70s SVT
  4. I think the first clip is the SVT-2 Pro and the second clip is the Blackline.
  5. aparker82


    Sep 19, 2012
    I don't know which is which but I like the sound of clip 3 the best.
  6. JimmyM


    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    Don't hear a ton of difference in them. #3 sounded slightly brighter, that's about it.

    I'll guess 3 is the Blackline, but I think either could pass for the other.
  7. jmbjandfam

    jmbjandfam Supporting Member

    Apr 24, 2011
    Foxfire Village N.C.
    No idea which is which but I like the first clip best.
  8. Basshappi


    Feb 12, 2007
    Liked the first clip the best. There was a bit more air around the notes.
  9. StuartV

    StuartV Finally figuring out what I really like Supporting Member

    Jul 27, 2006
    Manassas, VA
    Yeah, so these recordings were part of a larger effort I made to compare several amps and cabs. I have:

    vintage SVT
    SVT 2 Pro
    vintage Traynor YBA-3

    and cabs:

    Heritage 810
    Bergantino NV610
    Aguilar GS210 and GS115 (used stacked)

    I recorded all 3 amps with the 610 and the 810, plus the 2 Pro with the Aguilar stack.

    So, I set each amp's volume with the first cab I recorded it with, and then left all settings alone for the remaining recordings. The result is that you can tell that, with any given amp and volume setting, the 810 is definitely louder than the 610. But, because I set one of the amp's volume when playing through the 610 and one amp when playing through the 810, the result is that one of the amps is louder through the 810 than the other.

    Anyway, once this poll has been up for a bit longer, I'll post another thread with all the clips, so those that want to hear how the Berg 610 compares to the H810 can do so. Probably tomorrow morning.

    In the meantime, I am just looking to see how the 2 Pro compares to the vintage SVT in the ears of The Bass Illuminati. :) The 2 Pro gets the least love (here on TB) of any Ampeg tube amp. I am hoping this thread and poll will shed some light on why that is.
  10. southshoreconor


    Oct 30, 2007
    The Road
    Endorsing Artist: Fender Musical Instruments, SIT strings
    i guessed #6 as the vintage head. when do we get the truth?
  11. StuartV

    StuartV Finally figuring out what I really like Supporting Member

    Jul 27, 2006
    Manassas, VA
    I'll leave it a mystery for tonight and post the answer in the morning. How's that? :)
  12. i wish someone would do a comparison for b15 vs b15n as well :p
  13. I picked #6.
  14. I wish there was a mic right on the cab. Kind of limits the ability to hear nuance. I have owned a SVT VR and now a late 70s blackline and immediately heard and felt a different. I'm going on a whim and guessing #6 as vintage.
  15. Primakurtz

    Primakurtz Registered Nihilist Supporting Member

    Nov 23, 2011
    Denver, Colorado
    I liked the mids on #6 - guessing it is the SVT-2.
  16. jmpiwonka


    Jun 11, 2002
    i think #6 sounded better so i'll guess that one as the vintage svt.

    didn't sound like either was turned up enough to get them into their sweet spots though.
  17. ThisBass


    Aug 29, 2012
    first clip reminds me on my 70s svt, but I enjoy the second one much better.
  18. JimmyM


    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    Yeah, I used to believe in that sweet spot stuff, but then I got into a band where I was forced to play SVT's at very quiet volume, and I discovered that they sound sweet at whatever volume.
  19. ThisBass


    Aug 29, 2012
    thats right
  20. jmpiwonka


    Jun 11, 2002
    yeah they do sound nice at pretty much all volumes
    with my svtII, everything seems to come together perfectly at a certain volume though