Wanna hear a Sadowsky?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by machine gewehr, Nov 23, 2005.

  1. machine gewehr

    machine gewehr

    Sep 17, 2005
    This is what Jason Newsted plays with his Sadowsky in S&M-The Call Of Ktulu.Someone recorded it single out of the mix but I don't know if there are any effects on it but its really cool!Enjoy! :bassist: http://www.freewebs.com/jasonfan/ktulubass.htm
  2. Figjam


    Aug 5, 2003
    Boston, MA
    That site is slow as hell,its taking me 13 minutes to download.
  3. Figjam


    Aug 5, 2003
    Boston, MA
    This is funny bc you can hear when he meses up.

    Hes one of my least favorite bassists.

    I really hate this bassline, around 5 minutes where he randomly goes all hxc and speedpicks.


    if you take this clip, it kind of sounds like NTB trying to play along with a cd, cept more in time.

    SImiliar anoyying pick tone and awkward tone in general.

    I dont want to offend sadowsky people, i like their basses, just not in the hands of this man.
  4. Haha, That's my website :smug:

    And yeah, it is slow as hell, sorry :p . That's the best I can
    get with freewebs (for free).

    I love Jason's tone and his playing, sounds awesome to me. His tone fits the music perfectly. Remember: this is Metal, not jazz or classical or something. It's ok to make mistakes like that, doesn't have to be perfect. Jason's thrashing around on stage, give him a break ;)

    ...And he has more Sadowskys than anyone else (Around 22)
  5. Figjam


    Aug 5, 2003
    Boston, MA
    I understand the style, im not your average TB-ite that listens to classical rock and jazz fusion only. Im into experimental stuff. I just dont like that tone, maybe because he uses a pick and all i hear is the slapping and scraping of the pick agaist the strings. Also just sounds kinda upper middyy.
  6. Yeah, I know what you mean. Jason likes his action super low and plays with a real heavy picking style, so the strings are slapping around. Doesn't sound as good solo'd out, but in the mix... :cool:
  7. slapcracklepop

    slapcracklepop Guest

    Jun 28, 2005
    Boston, MA
    I also dont like when he randomly starts picking fast, but I guess its part of the overall energy put into it. The tone bothers me too, gives me a headache after a while..
  8. :bag:

    *waits for Major Metal*
  9. pickles

    pickles Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 23, 2000
    Ventura, CA
    Funny thing about playing in front of a crowd ... you're really "feeling it", but you turn into a total clam machine :D :p

    Really, when you mix the bass that loud, it takes it out of context ... you can't tell what it would sound like in the mix. It also sounds like this is pre compression ... which it needs BADLY. Tone sounds to me like it would have nice presence and support on a noisy stadium stage. Better than all blur and being a token figure on stage, as it is with most big shows.
  10. xb100

    xb100 Guest

    Mar 24, 2004
    NH, In
    I think it sounds kind of cool myself. I've always been a fan of metallica. I wonder what that sadowsky would sound like if it were played without a pic.
  11. Pretty sweet :)

    He plays without a pick on a few songs
  12. msquared


    Sep 19, 2004
    Kansas City
    1) Your time would also be that bad if your drummer was Lars Ulrich.
    2) The signal is probably EQ'd to mix well with the guitars and drums and symphony.

    There was an interview with Matt Chamberlain in Modern Drummer where he talks about going into a studio with a bunch of musicians and listening to some of the old Motown stuff (I think that's right.. I don't have the article in front of me). The parts laid down by Jamerson et al didn't sound all that hot when soloed, but when the faders all came up and it was a group thing the song of course sounded great.

    Not saying that anyone is right/wrong in dissing Newsted (as it's nothing but opinion of course). But this mp3 isn't really indicative of anything IMO.
  13. Figjam


    Aug 5, 2003
    Boston, MA
    I agree, im definitely one to believe basses that sound good solo'd may suck in the mix and vice versa.

    I used to be a HUGEEEEE metallica fan, just never a newsted fan.

    MAJOR METAL The Beagle Father Supporting Member

    I am Here ! :bassist: I am not tottaly convienced that that is Jason we are hearing. Jason was playing with distortion and a wah pedal for alot of that song and the last time i heard this clip i heard neither. I also believe Jason is a tighter more solid player then what we are hearing on that track. Jason Rocks ! :bassist:
  15. As far as I've found, it's Jason playing. He does play the song with distortion and wah but that is blended with his "clean" sound which is what we're hearing in this clip. I got the track from a guy who singled out James' Vocals on the full S&M album and since Ktulu is an instrumental he did Jason's bass instead. Jason's bass tone could be reproduced but James voice certainly can't, so that leads me to believe that this is the real thing. And with some work with phase cancelling and because of how Metallica pans their guitar sounds for live concerts, I think it's possible to single out Jasons bass like this.

    Either that, or the guy managed to get a copy of the original multitrack recordings of the concert, which would be highly unlikely but you never know. Some people have those kinds of connections.
  16. Figjam


    Aug 5, 2003
    Boston, MA
    Or its some guy playing along with the song.
  17. Yeah, but as I see it - If the same guy who made that track could also get James' vocals singled out in the mix, then I think he could get Jason's bass singled out like this, at least on this track.
  18. deftim69

    deftim69 Guest

    Jun 11, 2003
    This is Jason'sbass. If you have a digital 5.1 reciever and use a fiber optic cable(?) to connect you DVD player you can hear it for yourself. Put the DVD in and put it in 5.1 mode. Now get close to your center channel and for just this one song they solo Jason's bass to this channel with a little bit of drums also. The bass with distortion is soloed out to the right and left speakers. Also if you have Cunning Stunts you can do the same for the whole DVD. His tone in that one is very distorted and sometimes hard to tell what he is playing. He get's real sloppy in parts, but it's not like he is just standing there and just playing bass.
    With James vocals in S&M its soloed out for the rest of the DVD. Whats cool is if you listen very closely you can hear them turning the mic on and off as James goes from mic to mic. You can hear Lars playing with out mics on his drum kit and hear all of the stage sounds coming through the mic. There is alot of little things in there to hear.
  19. Yep - I forgot to mention the DVD. Definatly with the center channel of 5.1 you can hear it like that.

    I wish I have a 5.1 surround sound system... :bawl:
  20. ras1983


    Dec 28, 2004
    Sydney, Australia
    I don't understand why people are bagging the guy's playing. what do you expect when you are probably as inebriated as those guys would have been. Remeber their name... Alcohollica??? ;)

    Just joking, people can bag anyone they want. as much as i can't stand metallica any more, the bottom line is that newstead was part of a massive rock band and has 22 sadowskys. if i ever reach that level then i'll be happy playing my sads.