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Warmoth body designs

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Btone, May 15, 2003.


  1. Btone

    Btone

    May 5, 2001
    Hello!

    I have a Warmoth jazz that I'm very happy with - excellent neck and body in every way.
    Now - for my new project I would like a bassbody with a more modern design than the jazz (don't ask me why, that's beside the point:) )
    I'm gonna ask Warmoth if they have future plans for new body designs (something like F-bass, spector, tobias).
    In the meantime: Do you know of anyone that produces bodies and necks of high quality after the "Warmoth-consept" (buy-the-parts-assemble-yourself) with more interesting body designs?

    Thanks!
     
  2. Nino Valenti

    Nino Valenti Commercial User

    Feb 2, 2001
    Staten Island NYC
    Builder: Valenti Basses
    Here are a couple of Warmoth bodies that might fit the bill:

    <img src="http://www.warmoth.com/thrift/bodies/images/b345A.jpg">
     
  3. Nino Valenti

    Nino Valenti Commercial User

    Feb 2, 2001
    Staten Island NYC
    Builder: Valenti Basses
    I like this body shape ALOT!!!!!

    <img src="http://www.warmoth.com/thrift/bodies/images/b298A.jpg">
     
  4. Btone

    Btone

    May 5, 2001
    I've seen those Warmoth-bodies, Nino-Brown, and I like the one with the maple top. Is it hollow?

    The ultimate body design, IMO, has the F-bass

    I asked Ken Warmoth - he said they're "too busy to explore new designs and ideas".
     
  5. Nino Valenti

    Nino Valenti Commercial User

    Feb 2, 2001
    Staten Island NYC
    Builder: Valenti Basses
    For a Company like Wrmoth to one off a body like that, I'll proably cost as much if not more then if you were to buy an F bass. :)
     
  6. bwbass

    bwbass

    May 6, 2002
    WA
    The first one is my design, and yes, it's hollow like a thinline Tele. The second is a copy of a BC Rich Eagle bass, and it's been one of our regular catalog offerings for years.

    Nino - as usual you're exactly right about the cost!

    Problem we have with new body designs is that they have to fall into the neck pocket spec of an existing design. Changing the neck pocket spec is where we don't want to go... redesigning fixtures and tooling... writing new CNC programs... think "expensive".

    On the other hand, we're generally open to well-drawn and well-planned designs that use a standard Fender-spec neck pocket.
     
  7. Brendan

    Brendan

    Jun 18, 2000
    Austin, TX
    Warmoth should offer that Musiclander body for bass. I think that would go over really well, especially with the Warmoth style headstocks, both 4 and 5 strings.

    Just personal opinion.

    Oh, and do you guys still make the WV body shape (or was it VW...?) I liked that shape...
     
  8. Hey BW, that's a really cool design. Good work! Are they gonna offer it as a production model?
     
  9. Nino Valenti

    Nino Valenti Commercial User

    Feb 2, 2001
    Staten Island NYC
    Builder: Valenti Basses
    What's a Musiclander shape look like?

    I was also looking for the other new (VW, WV, LMNOP) to post here, but I couldn't find it.
     
  10. i wish they would sell sabre typ bodys.
     
  11. Brendan

    Brendan

    Jun 18, 2000
    Austin, TX
  12. bwbass

    bwbass

    May 6, 2002
    WA
    The BW's a custom-production model, meaning that you can call up and order one, hollow or not, but it costs a bit more than the other body styles because it's on a manual pattern and not the CNC.

    The VW bass is the same deal... that one's Ken Warmoth's baby. Since we sold the one on the site we've started two more for production - you should see one in a week or two.

    As for the Sabre, we can sure do two Music Man routs in any body, no extra charge. As for the body style, that would be the same as a Stingray, wouldn't it? Except for the pickguard of course, which we probably wouldn't mess with anyways.

    Reason we haven't offered Stingray shapes before is that we can't do the headstocks to go with them, and not many people want a stingray body with a Pbass neck! Ernie Ball owns the 3+1 tuner configuration, believe it or not, even though I think Rickenbacker made a prototype like this that predates EB. Maybe those two will fight it out someday... :)
     
  13. odie

    odie Supporting Member

    Bw- Question: Will a warmoth body fit a Fender neck?? Actually it is a Moses Fender replacement neck or there Music Man/G&L neck.

    I want to build a Jazz with a MM with a graphite neck.
     
  14. Btone

    Btone

    May 5, 2001
    While you're here, BW - a question for you:
    I've worked from time to time with walnut (gunstocks!) and it's very smooth and easy - little can go wrong..but how about koa? Is it similar?

    You might have guessed - I'm considering doing violence to your design.. :D
    Not much though - it's near perfect allready. But I want (among a few other minor things) the upper horn to start a little further back (2 or 3 cm), if you know what I mean - this will reduce the amount of body wood supporting the neck pocket. Will this reduce the stability of the neck/body joint significantly, do you think? Your Explorer body (I think it's the Explorer, not shure) has a completely exposed neck pocket - so I guess it's OK. I'm I right?
     
  15. bwbass

    bwbass

    May 6, 2002
    WA
    Sort of...

    We tend to build our neck pockets to tighter specs than Fender does, so we can get a more precise fit when you put our parts together. Many companies that make replacement necks but not bodies seem to take the opposite approach and make the neck heels a little oversized so they fit better in loose Fender neck pockets.

    As a result, most of the Moses necks we've seen have been a bit too big to fit in our bodies without some neck pocket modification.

    On the other hand, keep in mind that Music Man necks and their replacements have an extra fret and are therefore a bit longer than Fender necks. Music Man necks will not intonate correctly on most Fender-spec bodies, including ours.
     
  16. bwbass

    bwbass

    May 6, 2002
    WA
    Btone -

    As long as you don't want it to be hollow, there should be no problem thinnng out the underside of the upper horn to expose the neck pocket as you say... although you'll want to draw out your modification for us so we can see exactly what you mean and make a pattern.

    To be honest, I'm not nuts about Koa for bass necks... too soft in my opinion. But it does take finish about like walnut does; the pores are about the same size.
     
  17. Nino Valenti

    Nino Valenti Commercial User

    Feb 2, 2001
    Staten Island NYC
    Builder: Valenti Basses
    That's weird. I'd love to have a Music Man HS on a Jazz Body. :(
     
  18. odie

    odie Supporting Member

    By that do you mean that a average joe could sand alittle of the pocket out to get it to fit?? Or are we talking about a definite modification.

    Also is there a problem with putting a P-bass(Moses) on one of your Jazzes?? Is there an option for that?
     
  19. pc

    pc

    Apr 4, 2000
    Montreal QC

    Agreed. IMO the Musiclander is the coolest Warmoth body!!!!:bassist:
     
  20. would u make a sabre shape bass,sting ray, or any bass shape if some one wanted it. cause couldnt they just buy a paddle head stock if they really wanted to match it. i would kill to be able to make my dream sabre with ur parts.

    kill is over kill.