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Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by BassistGod, Nov 13, 2003.

  1. Maybe you guys who have experience with building basses can help me out. Lately, I've been entertaining the idea of putting together a bass from warmoth parts. Specifically a Gecko.

    I have a rough idea of what I want for the neck/ body wood. But as for pickups and electrronics, I'm really undecided. I'm looking at going with the pups and pre's they sell on the site.
    As of now I'm leaning toward seymour duncan active pu's with an aguilar obp3 preamp.

    I want a versatile sounding bass, but if I had to choose, I would take a growlier more aggresive sound over smooth and mellow.

    Anybody have input as to what would be a good choice? I have no experience with any of the pups or pre's they offer so I'd like to hear what users have to say.

    Hers a link to what warmoth offers for pups and pre's. Pretty limited, so expand my knowledge with other choices if you think they're better.

  2. Nino Valenti

    Nino Valenti Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 2, 2001
    Staten Island NYC
    Builder: Valenti Basses
    <img src="http://www.talkbass.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=1002887">
    I built a Gecko with Basslines ASB2-5's & an Aguilar OBP-1 & the basses sounded great!!!!!

    <img src="http://www.talkbass.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=820571">

    I also built a Warmoth J with similar body woods as the gecko (except for the maple top on the Jazz) but I used EMG 40J's with the OBP-1 & IMO, I think you should use the EMG 40J's because you're looking for:

    Also, the woods you use would also dictate the sound you'll end up with. An Ash body w/maple fretboard will be more to your liking than a Mahogany body with Rosewood ffetboard.
  3. Thanks for the advice nino.

    You are the resident warmouth pro.

    So you think the EMG with have a more aggresive tone versus the seymour duncan?... I'm not nessecarily after cutting highs but more focused mids almost like a warwick. Also, can anybody comment on the seymour duncan active cicuit with the slap contour..

    BTW I'm thinking of going with an all wenge neck and ash body.
  4. bwbass


    May 6, 2002
    Uh, the links from the Gecko site are confusing because they're in frames... here's the electronics link: http://www.warmoth.com/Bass/Gecko/GEKElectronics.htm

    My 2 cents: The passive 5-string Jazz pu's from Duncan are growly in a vintage Jbass way, not too hi-fi. Like all true single-coils, they hum when you solo one of them, though. The Dimarzio Ultra-Jazz 5's are good, too, and match the string spacing of the Medium 5 Gecko pretty well. They're not shown on the site, but we should be able to order them - not as edgy but quiet.

    Do a "Warmoth" search here and you'll find a discussion of wenge necks as well as Groovecenter's newest project, which uses the Dimarzio's and the OBP-3.

    Edit: Between the EMG's and the Duncan ASB soapbars, the EMG's are edgier and the Duncan's are smoother. The passive J's above are more vintage-edgy.
  5. Mud Flaps

    Mud Flaps

    Feb 3, 2003
    Norton, MA
    The guy above me is the Warmoth pro. He works there!

    Anyway, I've heard a lot of people say that once you are actually finished with the Gecko, it turns out to not be that great of a value. Most people who I know who own one (1 person) regrets buying the kit and says that it was a complete waste of his time.
  6. Nino Valenti

    Nino Valenti Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 2, 2001
    Staten Island NYC
    Builder: Valenti Basses
    It all depends on what you consider to be a waste of time.

    I've built about 10-15 Warmoth basses/guitars. I've learned alot with each project & each one turned out better then the last.

    I've personally compared them to most "production" basses (Fender, MusicMan, G&L, Yamaha, Jackson, etc) & almost every Warmoth I've built was FAR supirior to basses that costs hundreds more.

    My most recent one BLOWS AWAY anay Fender bass I've compared it to.

    <img src="http://www.talkbass.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=1118643">
  7. 43apples

    43apples Guest

    Nov 9, 2003
    Well, i'm gonna bulid me a custom warmoth fretless myself when i get the money....it's gonna be awesome!

    I'm just worried about the costs of getting teh fingerboard epoxied...200-300 dollars is a bit too much IMO. But that shouldnt be a issue with a fretted bass, sorry :D.

    Amyway, Warmoth has exremely stable necks and very high quality woods. If you want an aggresive, growly tone, EMG DC's or CS' would do the trick.

    I'm personally going for Passive duncans, because they are warmer and more complex. And i hate batteries :D

  8. Oh, I see there was a little discussion while I was away at class.:)

    Bwbass, thanks for the input on the pups.

    Now my head is buzzing with questions about the pickups mentioned? Is it okay to do different combinations like active pu's with an active pre or passive pu's with an active pre? Is there a preferred combination?

    Bwbass. Is it okay to purchase the neck and body now and then when I decide on pups, have the body routed for them? The reason being, I already have my eyes set on certain pieces in the showcase.
  9. Mental Octopus

    Mental Octopus

    May 24, 2003
    i would love to have a warmoth bass for myself, except i really despise the look of that fender headstock. :sigh: if only someone would make me a custom headstock :bawl:
  10. You do know they offer more than just the fender headstock right....?
  11. Mental Octopus

    Mental Octopus

    May 24, 2003
    oh of course, i dont like any of the angled ones listed on the site though lol. i like the 4 in line look and to my knowledge the fender headstock is the only type they make in that configuration. correct me if i am wrong.
  12. bikeplate

    bikeplate Supporting Member

    Jun 7, 2001
    Upstate NY

    Here's one for you. Don't cut corners. Warmoth stuff is great. Make sure you get good parts, pickups, etc. Best of luck

  13. Beautiful basses! It's pics like these that make me want to build a Warmoth, but I don't have the money and wouldn't trust myself.
  14. bwbass


    May 6, 2002
    No problem with passive pickups/active preamp (think Sadowsky, Lakland, etc.) or active pickups/active preamp (think Spectors or anything with EMG's) The thing you don't want to do is mix active and passive _pickups_ in the same bass.

    If you want to pick something up from the Showcase, we'll want to know the routing when you place the order. Of course with some pickup shapes, like Jbass routs, there are many different pickups which will fit the same routing. Same with soapbar routs - bartolini makes passive models the same shape as the Duncan and EMG active soapbars.
  15. 43apples

    43apples Guest

    Nov 9, 2003
    Hey Mr. Goode! Do you think you could make me a wenge and maple P-Bass wide fretless bass neck with a 13* angled headstock, with your Fatback contour used in your 8 string bass necks? I got a mail from a dude at warmoth (i hope it wasn't you:D ) that said it would be too time consuming. Why??

  16. bwbass


    May 6, 2002
    That email was probably from Ken Warmoth, my boss! The short answer is because he says so!

    Seriously, though, you could order one of our 8-string necks with no tuner holes drilled and then cut the headstock to a 4-stringer yourself. Wood choices may be limited though, as our 8-string necks require special blanks with oversized heads, and we make these in batches. With as few 8-string necks as we sell, we probably won't need to make more blanks for a year or more. The problem might be more in the wenge back than in the other part of your request....
  17. soularis


    Jul 3, 2003
    Illinois, USA
    How much did it cost you to build this bass? Looks hot.
  18. Dan Molina

    Dan Molina TalkBass Secular Progressive

    Jul 17, 2002
    Murr Town, California
    How much did it cost you to make that first bass?
  19. Okay I have narrowed my pickup choices down to the Duncan ASB-5's soapbars and the SJB5 Passive Stack Jazz Pickups. I have tried searching for more info on these but I came up empty.

    I like the idea of passive pu's so that I won't need to rely on a battery, (plus I can always add a preamp later.) But I don't know much about the tone of the passive stacks. Anyone have experience with'em?

    From what Nino says, the ASB-5's sound good. Anybody else think they're worth getting?

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