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Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Fuzzbass, Jun 16, 2006.
His method has been on display for 20 years.
im always surprised that this thread is still open but at the same time not. I really hope he hasn't gained any $$ in at lease 8 years but based on the zeller guitars thing I assume he has.
I honestly think he's struggled to make or at least keep the money with those too.
I think in his heart of hearts, he would still like to build all the instruments he owes, given the obvious issues the guy is going through, I expect the guilt of it will get to him, very badly at least some of the time.
If he had made money, and was doing well, I don't doubt he'd be doing his best to build all your basses too. It's such a rubbish situation that you guys have ended up in, through no fault of your own.
I don't think that.
No way. I am confident that he is free of the the burden of any feeling of guilt.
That does not calculate. Had he done the right thing in the first place, then likely he would have made money. In that event, on continuing to run his business legitimately, of course he would be doing his best to build the basses.
The point is that, as he demonstrated clearly, his honest effort was not predicated on whether or not he made money: he "made" money by inappropriately keeping the money he was given, then proceeded to not do his best to build the basses for many years.
Whether or not he feels guilt is immaterial. The fact that he can push past it or justify not fulfilling his obligations tells me everything I need to know about him.
Well apparently he's now expanding his shop by 750sf and going to also be teaching people on some luthier-esque skills in part of the newly expanded shop. I'm very confused where he would find the time to teach anyone anything since he still owes a sh*t ton of you basses! I'd think he would be wanting to take some classes on some business 101 skills.
Anyhow, I guess for those who find this thread because they have been wanting a scroll bass, check out Cliff Bordwell's basses. That dude does some incredible work!
I dunno man... I think he's got the business stuff down. I mean, how else did he earn tens of thousands of dollars without having to deliver anything? Seems like some business savvy to me! That's some next-level dream selling, kids.
So there’s his solution. Have students *pay* for the educational experience of building his backlog of basses.
The man is a genius!
Well ya know, the surgeon you were assigned and consulted isn't necessarily the one who will wield the scalpel during the procedure.
Just goofing. Darrin's way too much of a perfectionist to farm out his work to interns, I'll give him credit for that. His perfectionism is a double-edged scalpel.
I just think that if he was a really bad guy, nobody would ever have heard from him again once he got the money.
Not making excuses for him, not at all. I just think there's still the slightest chance he might come good on these builds, assuming he doesn't die of old age first...
But the people whose money he got, hardly if ever heard from him again ...
All of that deposit money is revenue. Excellent point snaxster.
Anyone imagine that he declared those 10's of thousands of dollars to the IRS? We all know that suing him is a futile venture and that the cops aren't much interested in fraud charges. However, AFAIK, there is no statute of limitation for tax evasion. Nobody would get their money back, or get a bass, but just maybe they might feel justice has been served.
It seems like occasionally contacting his customers or throwing a teaser on FB, while all the time actually doing no work, is part of his schtick. I can't know what's going on in his head, but it's feels like sociopathic behavior.
Darrin has amazing luthiery skills -- closeup photos and user reviews attest to this. He's also an artist. His scroll basses definitely won't appeal to everyone, but I like them every bit as much if not more than others in that vein. He's a perfectionist, takes pride in his work, and despite his often questionable behavior I believe he's truly in anguish over the damage to his rep. All this considered, my gut tells me that he wants to finish the back orders and get his luthiery career back on track -- the question is, can he?
But that's just my gut. As I've said before, I'm not about to argue with anyone who doubts his intentions. He's got overdue orders going back nearly 20 years, 'nuff said.
There seems to be no evidence of that. Every indication seems to be exactly the opposite.
Actions -- I agree that there isn't much evidence. The "Iceland bass" that finally shipped out back in 2018 is a rare exception, and as Kristjan stated, that bass had been nearly complete for years.
Words -- there have been mea culpas (often but not always with excuses) on social media, including a YouTube video in which he was literally crying about how he's let his customers down (removed from his channel years ago, I believe).
We all know about actions versus words. Just offering evidence for my gut opinion.
I'm not sure how many basses in total he owes, but you would think by now even if he made one a year he would be caught up?
Darrin likes to make promises such as "half the basses (or all the basses) done by the end of the year". Sure, it's significantly more efficient to build similar basses (four strings, whatever) in a batch... but he's never delivered a batch. We're now reaching the three year point with no completions, so yeah, I'd also like to say "dude, just build one at a time!" However his scroll basses are amazingly intricate, and the backlog is significant, so I understand why he only seems to think in terms of batches.
As for the backlog: within the last couple/few years, one of Darrin's stated goals was to complete 10 overdue basses by X date, and he said that this was "about half", so we can estimate 20 total. I believe a one-bass-per-year rate would be better than his actual completion rate over the past two decades, but I'm guessing there are at least a dozen (?) Huff basses out in the wild, so a flat one-per-year would not be enough. One-per-year in addition to those he's already completed should have done the trick. That doesn't seem like much, but it wasn't done, so here we are.
I made this a few weeks ago but neglected to post it. Feel free to save this picture and re-post when needed. (I have the text file as well and can update in the rather rare event that something changes.)
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