WARNING: Darrin Huff Basses / Zeller Guitars

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Fuzzbass, Jun 16, 2006.

  1. JKos

    JKos Supporting Member

    Oct 26, 2010
    Torrance, CA
    Exactly! Google "Darrin Huff." For me, this thread is the fourth result. If this thread goes quiet, it will go down the search results.
    Fuzzbass likes this.
  2. cosmicevan

    cosmicevan ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    I am unfollowing this thread. I have no interest in being involved in this discussion. Apologies if I offended anyone...please do not tag me in this thread.
  3. smperry

    smperry Administrator Staff Member Administrator Gold Supporting Member

    Nov 3, 2003
    Bay Area, CA
    Closing this for now, until someone has new relevant info, in which case they can write me or another forum mod.

    Edit: reopening because a would-be customer @slowburnaz wanted to provide more info. Hoping we can stay on track and keep this open a while.
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2021 at 4:22 AM
  4. slowburnaz


    Mar 27, 2002
    Tucson, AZ
    Just wanted to add this bit of info:


    To me, this looks like he's taking orders again.

    Who knows if this means he's actually taking money from new customers or not, but at the very least, this certainly seems like it would be a distraction from completing orders that are creeping up on 2 decades old.

    So, if you're a new potential customer stumbling upon this thread, just know that you may be in for quite a wait.
  5. MatchFive

    MatchFive Supporting Member

    Jul 26, 2019
    Here's a comment from the same post. Looks like he is definitely taking new orders.

  6. MatchFive

    MatchFive Supporting Member

    Jul 26, 2019
  7. rogerbmiller

    rogerbmiller Gold Supporting Member

    Sep 16, 2003
    It seems like this thread might need its own Facebook page now.
    Duder, BadJazz, Clark W and 1 other person like this.
  8. Fuzzbass

    Fuzzbass P5 with overdrive Gold Supporting Member

    AFAIK, my order is still nothing more than a list of specs.

    To recap the image slowburnaz posted:
    • Scroll bass: what we've been waiting for since the early aughts
    • One MW Bass exists: as noted in MatchFive's post, it was a unique custom build (over a decade ago?) that he's apparently going to put into production
    • The Roy bass was his first bolt on design made semi-famous because one was played by Gabe Nelson when Cake appeared on "Live on Letterman" close to a decade ago. At one point DH promised that all wait-listers would get a Roy bass in addition to their scroll bass as compensation for the long wait -- but that seems to have gone the way of all other DH promises
    • The hollow bass is post-Zeller, a brand new thing not ordered by anyone on the wait list (I assume the same is true for the MW and Roy)
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  9. gln1955

    gln1955 Supporting Member

    Aug 25, 2014
    Ohio, USA
    He's offering a payment plan after the bass is completed. I'd be tempted to order one, then string him along on payment for 20 years.
  10. MatchFive

    MatchFive Supporting Member

    Jul 26, 2019
    Yeah, I just realized the payment plan part. Huff will send them a pic of one he made 20 years ago and when it's paid off Huff will send you a print out of the picture.
    Novarocker, BlueTalon, Dluxe and 3 others like this.
  11. Dluxe


    Jan 9, 2011
    Austin, TX
    Looks like another delay..., Screenshot_20211011-134126.png
  12. gwangi


    Jul 4, 2009
    Forbidden Valley
    This seriously makes me sick!!!! How pathetic!!!!
  13. Sid Fang

    Sid Fang Reformed Fusion Player Supporting Member

    Jun 12, 2008
    As anyone following this saga knows, Darrin is an amazingly creative and outside-the-box thinker when it comes to avoiding delivering product, so everything must be taken with a large grain of salt. But one way of interpreting what we've seen over the last few months, in terms of the CNC investment/work and the announcement of product lines, is that he's figured out that (a) luthiery is probably what he's best at, and his other career options involve even more work, and (b) that by his "traditional" methods, he's just not able to build enough to ship enough to sell enough to live, so instead of just taking money and running, maybe he needs to figure out how to deliver faster, using best available tools and techniques. Now, *if* that's all true - a very big if - appropriate tactics for the historical stakeholders are subtle. Warn everyone away, and the business collapses again, which may be what Darrin deserves, and it may save future victims, but it doesn't help those who paid and would really like to see one of those basses out of it. If he's able to ramp up to a production of N basses per month, and has a going business out of it, (a) he has something to lose again, and (b) he might be persuaded that maybe 1 out of those N per month needs to be earmarked for the "early adopters who believed in him", as it's good for his commercial reputation, keeps him out of court, and if N is significantly greater than 1, he could afford it - maybe even make it look good for tax purposes.
  14. slowburnaz


    Mar 27, 2002
    Tucson, AZ
    IMO, that's most likely what's happening.

    I really think that actually completing some scroll basses would be the best thing to do first. That may actually build some confidence, both for him AND existing and potential new customers.

    Instead, I can't help but think he's once again going to take new orders, start work on them because he needs the money from completing them (as he did with his guitars), and the waitlisters will continue to... wait.

    I sincerely hope it's different this time, but you know...

    Last edited: Oct 11, 2021 at 2:39 PM
  15. gln1955

    gln1955 Supporting Member

    Aug 25, 2014
    Ohio, USA
    I think everyone who has succeeded in making a living as a custom luthier, or even tried to, would say it takes a consistent work ethic and astute business skills. It doesn't matter if Darrin has the latest nifty tools if he isn't in the shop for long hours every day. None of us know the reasons, but he has never been capable of doing what it takes to make this work.
  16. Sid Fang

    Sid Fang Reformed Fusion Player Supporting Member

    Jun 12, 2008
    I hear you, gin1955, but where CNC, and a few other little things like using third party hardware instead of home brew, could actually make a difference is in how much Darren can achieve in one of his work spurts. And that, in turn, can make a difference in both his production and on his mental state.
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  17. Dluxe


    Jan 9, 2011
    Austin, TX
    There's always May 15, 2022.....
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  18. Tim Schnautz

    Tim Schnautz

    Jan 30, 2000
    Oh, he's taken plenty of other peoples that he doesn't need to take yours too...
  19. Fuzzbass

    Fuzzbass P5 with overdrive Gold Supporting Member

    I'm fascinated to know why a customer would change their order from an in-progress scroll to the MW model. If that scroll order is not already in progress, then why is it suddenly available to the public?

    Fact is, Darrin has sold a number of scroll basses outside of the waiting list -- three that I know of, possibly more. Reasons given:
    • Customer canceled order and was given refund (LOL at the refund)
    • "Personal bass" that no one knew existed
    • "Demo bass"
    Now he's back open for business to the general public, and I don't see any more assurances for those of us still waiting, so I think it's obvious how our orders will be prioritized.

    I have paid in full and would love to get my Huff bass while I'm still able to play it, but given everything I noted just above, I think it's far more important to warn everyone.
  20. Clark W

    Clark W Just Say No To Tort! Supporting Member

    Aug 26, 2018
    That's putting it mildly.
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