WARNING: Darrin Huff Basses / Zeller Guitars

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Fuzzbass, Jun 16, 2006.

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  1. EddiePlaysBass


    Feb 26, 2009
    I know you won't like reading this, but I would be surprised if you ever got your bass. I would be even more surprised if the waitlisters get their bass before you do.

    Having said that, I have no dog in this fight. I sincerely hope it works out for everyone involved, and will go back to lurking.
  2. gln1955

    gln1955 Supporting Member

    Aug 25, 2014
    Ohio, USA
    DH is not the only person who can make a very high quality custom bass. Why not give your money to someone with a proven record of integrity and ability to do what they promise.

    I guess people pour money into the Superlotto every day thinking they will beat the astronomical odds and be the winner. In fact, they are throwing their money away.
  3. If he hasn't completed basses that are fully paid for what sort of priority would he give to one with a 5% deposit? On the bright side though you don't stand to lose as much.
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  4. joelns


    Mar 10, 2014
    Perhaps the individual that just posted was a troll. Joined yesterday, 9 posts, all on this thread. Does make one wonder...
  5. I call BS on that. Plenty of talented builders out there.
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  6. James Collins

    James Collins Guest

    Mar 25, 2017
    Building a violin is more complicated and time consuming than building a solid body electric guitar. Carving a violin scroll for a professional luthier takes maybe an hour. Stradivari built 1,100 instruments during his life without access to much in the way of power tools and no electricity.
  7. gln1955

    gln1955 Supporting Member

    Aug 25, 2014
    Ohio, USA
    Darrin wouldn't be messing with us would he?

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  8. Katoosie

    Katoosie Bleep-bloopin' thru existence.

    Jun 12, 2020
    Like I wrote before, 15 years ago? Sure, he was good.
    Nowadays? No.
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  9. Reedt2000

    Reedt2000 Supporting Member

    Apr 26, 2017
    Central New Jersey
    I don't think his building skills, in the past or present, have ever been in question here. His integrity, intentions, and behavior are quite a different matter...
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  10. kesslari

    kesslari Groovin' with the Fusion Cats Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 21, 2007
    Santa Cruz Mtns, California
    Lark in the Morning Instructional Videos; Audix Microphones
    Nope, that's not Darrin, unless he's suddenly become a supersophisticated internet user and spoofer of IP addresses internationally.
    I know everyone's rightfully beyond PO'd about the grotesque quagmire (great descriptor @Gunga Din ) that is the backlog of D. Huff's bass travesty.
    But please do not be so quick to jump on someone new.
    I don't read this poster as defending Darren. "He's no sociopath, he's a fairly nice bloke" is in fact EXACTLY what a new person would think about someone who has sociopath tendencies, if you think about it. If Darren, in initial communication (order or pre-order time) came across as a raving axe-murderer type, none of you would have ordered in the first place. It's precisely because he can come across as a "fairly nice bloke" (and has good luthiery skills) that people got sucked in.
  11. Fuzzbass

    Fuzzbass P5 with overdrive Gold Supporting Member

    You give Darrin the benefit of the doubt, and that's your prerogative. However you (and Darrin) both have to understand that after 10, 15, and even 20 years of, let's say, mysterious behavior (see below), some are no longer going to give him that benefit. It's not the least bit unreasonable for some on the waiting list to believe that they will never receive the bass that they paid at least 50% down on 10-20 years ago.

    It's also not unreasonable for anyone to be angry about it, especially given that Darrin has managed to finish instruments, scrolls included, that have not gone to the waiting list. Not long ago he managed to build and sell a batch of Zeller guitars -- his claim was that this would somehow allow him to complete overdue scrolls, but of course that resulted in zero overdue scrolls. Earlier this year Darrin acquired a CNC machine and promised that all overdue scrolls will be done by August 2021 -- again, the end result was exactly zero overdue scrolls. This is just the tip of the iceberg regarding decades of mysterious behavior.

    Now we see that he was apparently offering basses to the public. He also took your small deposit on a "spare" scroll bass -- funny how these "extras" keep falling out of trees (no pun intended). All this after he'd previously stated that he would build no more scroll basses once all backordered scrolls were completed.

    Point is, it's only natural for those who have been following this drama to wonder "what the fudge is going on here?" At minimum the optics are absolutely terrible, so it's legitimate for some to question whether the backordered basses are still a priority for him. And again, it's to be expected that some will get angry about it.
  12. Fuzzbass

    Fuzzbass P5 with overdrive Gold Supporting Member

    Forgot to mention: sadly, this is the age of internet vigilantism, and Darrin has apparently received hostile personal attacks. I've told him personally that this is wrong. However I've also told him that it isn't the fault of this Talkbass thread, and it wouldn't have come from anyone I know on the wait list. Bottom line: he's dug himself into an unprecedented hole so it's no surprise that he's become infamous for it, especially given his mysterious behavior (as I've been politely calling it).
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  13. -Asdfgh-


    Apr 13, 2010
    I'd be lucky to build anything that looked vaguely scroll-like in a month and a couple of missing fingers :)
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  14. slowburnaz

    slowburnaz Commercial User

    Mar 27, 2002
    Tucson, AZ
    Owner, Turner Pickups
    I think I could build something scroll-like... it just wouldn't be the cool curly cross section of a scroll. Rather, it'd be the side view, so, you know, a dowel.
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  15. BlueTalon

    BlueTalon Happy Cynic Supporting Member

    Mar 20, 2011
    Inland Northwest
    Endorsing Artist: Turnstyle Switch
    That was my impression.
    He perhaps didn't start out as a scammer, but that's certainly where he ended up.
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  16. Sid Fang

    Sid Fang Reformed Fusion Player Supporting Member

    Jun 12, 2008
    But most people who buy lottery tickets, or gamble in casinos, do it for the fun, the excitement of seeing money flying around, not the real expectation of a payout. And so it should be with Darren. If it’s Mr. Gazzard’s idea of a good time to put down deposits with an arch scamster, so that he can know the thrill of maybe getting something or maybe not, who am I to judge? As long as there’s no actual expectation of getting anything.
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  17. James Collins

    James Collins Guest

    Mar 25, 2017
    None of us are luthiers. The scroll is not difficult for violin makers. I do not think carving the scrolls is the problem.

    My point was Antonio Stradivari managed to make about 1000 violins throughout his lifetime. He was old when he died, but it is reasonable to assume he made at least 10 violins a month without electricity and still had time to also make harps, cellos, and other instruments. I'm guessing Stradivari made more guitars in his lifetime than Huff has despite the handicap of no electricity.
  18. James Gazzard

    James Gazzard Guest

    Oct 15, 2021
    good time ? thrill ? as i said a small 5% deposit to try to kick start Darrin's progress. no i beleive i will see my MW bass.
  19. James Gazzard

    James Gazzard Guest

    Oct 15, 2021
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  20. CTBassGuy

    CTBassGuy Supporting Member

    Feb 3, 2018
    Danbury, CT
    I sincerely hope you, and all the others who have open orders with Darrin, do see your basses.
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