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Weird back problem

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by lamborghini98, Jan 12, 2006.


  1. lamborghini98

    lamborghini98 The Aristocrats

    May 1, 2005
    NYC; Portland, OR
    I've had a history of back problems (I'm a pretty young guy. 18 today) having to do with scoliosis and muscle weakness, mostly due to bad posture. However, as I'm sitting here, I find it impossible to take a deep breath without a really sharp pain in my mid back. Even if I totally straighten up my posture, I still have that problem. Can anyone help me out here? I assume it has something to do with my improper (often slouched) sitting posture, but you never know...
    I'd check out a doctor by me, but they are all incredibly apathetic and often bad. (I had severe stomach problems for about a year b/c of caffeine od, and my doctor tells me to take Tums. This after waiting 2+ hours in a waiting room with maybe 3 other patients ... ironic name for us...)
     
  2. C-5KO

    C-5KO

    Mar 9, 2005
    Toronto, Canada
    I'm going to recommend seeing a specialist first off.

    I've had some really bad lower back pain. The doctors tell me it's an inflammed disc pinching a nerve.

    Can you describe the pain other than sharp? I would describe muscle pain, as an ache or soreness or cramp/spasm. While nerve pain is a sharp shooting pain.

    Occasionally, I've had cramps/spasms in my mid back due to the muscles compensating for the weakened lower back muscles. At times it does hurt to breathe. It feels like an 3' screw being tightened inbetween your shoulders. Is it something like this?

    You're probably aware that sitting is the worst position for somebody who has back problems.
     
  3. lamborghini98

    lamborghini98 The Aristocrats

    May 1, 2005
    NYC; Portland, OR
    That sentence just struck me. weird. and.. damn...


    umm. the pain feels a lot like a pinch, actually. it gets better after a little while of sitting "properly" (i fold one leg under me to prevent me from slouching. quite comfy,but i wonder if it does anything to your spine..)
     
  4. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    I totally agree - I've had back problems and it's often difficult to explain to people that I can do everything except sit down in a chair, as this is agony!!

    When I've had a bad back , I can walk around and lie on the floor and that's it!

    The thing that helps me is a position that I learnt from going to Alexander Technique classes - lying flat on the floor, with your knees drawn up as far as you can and your legs as wide apart as you can - head supported by a couple of paper back books - not a pillow. Elbows as wide as possible, hands pointing at each other across stomach.

    This relieves the pain and pressure on the spine, by lengthening it.

    There is no sitting "properly" when you have a bad back - any way just makes it worse!! :(
     
  5. I've had some bad back pain in the last year... I think a case like yours should be handled by a professional, but generally it could be a case of bad posture and weak back muscles.

    I've been working out a lot and trying to maintain a decent posture. My back has been aggravating me a bit (I've been playing hockey at least 4-5 times a week) but otherwise I've seen a vast improvement.
     
  6. Im no expert, but it sounds to me like a couple of your ribs have slipped a bit,

    happens to me now and then, the probably just need manipulated back into place, i have ways of popping mine back in, but, i dont know if its the same for you, could be a fair few things, i used to get really sharp pains right at the sternum, but it was caused by the ribs being slightly out at the spine
     
  7. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    Probably caused by lugging a 2x15 cab about!! ;)
     
  8. C-5KO

    C-5KO

    Mar 9, 2005
    Toronto, Canada

    +1.

    Best positions for me in order of good to worst:

    Lying down
    Walking
    Standing
    Sitting.

    I'm going to try your technique. It sounds very similar to a yoga exercise my gf showed me.

    I always explain my back like this:

    #1: Imagine having five 20' flagpoles hammered into your spine at your lower back. Now imagine that any movement of the poles will pinch and put pressure on your nerves. Now imagine walking around, sitting, doing any regular day activity, with these poles extended out behind you.

    #2: Imagine having a 1st class full-blown migrane in your back.

    #3: If you had a 2nd pair of gonads, and they were located at your lower back, imagine what it would feel like to have them being kicked a few times.
     
  9. Ive still not had the chance to use it as anything but bedroom practice yet, so, i doubt it :p
     
  10. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    A 2 x 15 cab for bedroom practice...:rollno:

    I'm glad I don't live next door to you!! ;)
     
  11. See, now you make me feel bad . . . oh well, there it went :p

    My guitarist was round, we were jamming, was good, he was using my classic 30 i was using the 410 ontop of the 215 with my SVT, the volume dial didnt go past 2, it didnt have to!
     
  12. Alexander Techinque? Bruce you must be as old as me.:eek: The last time I saw Alexander Techniques mentioned was probably in '72 or '73! Just before moving to Boulder and discovering Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche. I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now.
     
  13. lamborghini98

    lamborghini98 The Aristocrats

    May 1, 2005
    NYC; Portland, OR
    How do your ribs slip out of place? Thats seems like a really really odd thing...
     
  14. Can happen from a few different ways, basically becasuse they are just seated at the back and supported by muscle, its "fairly" easy for them to move out of place a bit, im not talking huge amounts, a few mm (if that) is enough to cause severe discomfort

    They make a lovely sound getting manipulated back into place tho
     
  15. Phil Mastro

    Phil Mastro

    Nov 18, 2004
    Montréal
    I also find standing in place to be pretty painful sometimes.
    Have you guys tried stretching out on those big medicine balls? I find it helps give that first "push" to help unjam things.
     
  16. lamborghini98

    lamborghini98 The Aristocrats

    May 1, 2005
    NYC; Portland, OR
    I love medicine balls. Theyre so useful... only problem is storage. Oh, and the whole having to explain to guests why I have a medicine ball without losing all masculine credibility.
     
  17. Lambo
    On the basis of your age and description of events, I believe that your pain is a consequence of how you use yourself. No therapy or exercise is going to change that, because they do nothing to change your response to stimuli. That is accomplished by learning, not by having a symptom alleviated.
    I believe lessons in the Alexander Technique would have a profound effect. You are within an hour of some of the world's best teachers. If you want references, contact me. AT is not an alternative to medical care. It is not therapy, but therapeutic benefits usually are indirect consequences of lessons. There are NO contraindications. You cannot be injured by lessons.
     
  18. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    I did some classes much more recently than that - some Yoga positions have also helped me with my back.
     
  19. As Bruce says the Alexander Technique is alive and well. My son had problems due to the many hours of practice he puts in through doing a degree at the Bass Institute in London. The Alexander Technique has helped immensely so that he is now practically pain free.

    There is also a book by a chiropractor who is also a bassist. The book deals particularly with injures sustained by bass players. The book is called; "The Bassists Guide to Injury Management, Prevention and better health".The author is Dr. Randall Kertz. More details on his website, www.drkertz.com
     
  20. Personally - I'd stay away from Chiropractors.

    I'm a radiographer/MIT by trade - and see bad backs at work EVERY DAY (sigh). My advice is simple - see a good Dr, maybe physiotherapist - but NEVER a chiropractor.
    I don't know what its like in the states, but over here - chiropracting is a 3 year university degree, but the chiro's are bloody hopeless if your back actually has something wrong with it (not just muscular.) In short - you'll be wasting money.
    The amount of times I've had to explain to a chiro over the phone just what they're looking at, after they've received the patients X-rays is very embarrassing - they should know what they're looking at! (Rant over)
    P_M me if you have any Q's.