Well, I turned off the "Enhance" and woah... / Eden 800 upgrade to B worth it?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by TimBosby, Nov 19, 2005.

  1. TimBosby

    TimBosby Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 19, 2004
    Omaha, NE, USA
    For those who saw my recent megathread here, I turned the "Enhance" knob completely to the left and was quite surprised by the increase in growl and overall presence/volume I got. I have not yet tried this but in individual practice, but the results are already promising. I had the master at 12 and gain at about 9 and it was already loud enough to shake the room without the compression light coming on at all. Then I bumped the gain up to 12 and almost broke the foundation of my new house. And still the compression light did not come on. I must have been sending TONS of super-low lows to the Schroeder with the Enhance knob all the way at 3... man am I a moron! No wonder the compression light was coming on like crazy and I was getting unpleasant noises out of my G&L. Anyway I am pleased by this discovery and happy to report that I was not even unhappy with the tone with the enhance knob completely off. I had everything else dead flat, master at half, gain at 9, and it sounded pleasantly beefy, a little bit of growl but not too trebly. I really could tell what my basses sounded like. I even plugged in my passive Ibanez Roadstar II(which I will be selling soon if anyone's interested ahem) and it sounded louder than ever before.

    My next question is, is the Eden 800 upgrade to the "B" series 800 worth it? I don't need this right away but it is something I am considering if I keep my WT 800, which I would like to do.

    The upgrade costs almost $500 (not counting shipping it to Montrose, MN) for older model WT800s, which I am pretty sure is what I have, thought not positive. I will have to check the serial # I guess because it is only $150 to upgrade an early 2005 800 to an 800B. Anyway, even if it is $500, it would open up a realm of cab configuration possibilities. Right now, I am pretty much limited to either running bridged mono into 8 ohms or both amps stereo each into 4 ohms. The 800B can do the following (from the PDF manual on Eden's website):

    300 watts at 8 ohms into each amp stereo
    440 watts at 4 ohms into each amp stereo
    550 watts at 2 ohms into each amp stereo

    880 watts into 8 ohms bridged mono (perfect for my 8 ohm Schroeder 1212 cab)
    1100 watts into 4 ohms bridged mono (perfect for running the 1212 with another 8 ohm cab...two 1212s maybe...good God that would be insane....)

    Wait a sec...can you run bridged mono mode into 2 cabs with this new 4 ohm option? I don't see why not..... would putting 1100 watts into two 8 ohm cabs be a bad idea (if one is a Schroeder 1212 1000 watt cab...)

    Anyway, all kinds of questions... I value any and all advice I get on this board!
  2. msquared

    msquared Supporting Member

    Sep 19, 2004
    Lawrence, KS
    $500! If it were me I'd take that money and get a poweramp and rack, and use the Eden as a preamp. Sounds like a ripoff if all they're doing is upgrading the output stage.
  3. BigMikeW

    BigMikeW Inactive

    May 25, 2005
    Nashville, TN.
    Banned by TB Administration for refusal to account for funds
    Glad that worked out for you. The "B" upgrade will be worth it.
  4. TimBosby

    TimBosby Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 19, 2004
    Omaha, NE, USA
    Well... depending on how old my Eden is, it may only be a $150 upgrade. I bought it off Ebay. I would have to check the serial or ask the guy I bought it from if I can find his email address.

    Anyway, it may be worth $500. I won't say how much I bought that Eden for, but let's just say the price I paid + $500 is still well under the cost of a new 800B... ;)

  5. Doug Parent

    Doug Parent Supporting Member

    May 31, 2004
    San Diego, Ca.
    Dealer Nordstrand Pickups.
    I had the old WT800, I agree with you-the enhance knob was better left off or at 9:00 o'clock for my tastes.

    I'd keep your $500 unless your seriously underpowered. With one 8 ohm speaker your 800 Eden bridged mono watts should serve you well. If not, consider a power amp instead. I agree, $500 may be a fair price for the upgrade, but on top of what you already have invested, does it make sense?
  6. earlc

    earlc Guest

    May 23, 2004
    Northern Virginia
    I'm in the same boat (same rig) and went through "upgrade decision tree", complicated by the fact that I still have a couple of nice cabinets sitting around. Always come to the conclusion that instead of upgrading the WT800, better off just getting a dedicated power to add in if i need to push more air. Lots of good options available for the cost of the upgrade and the slave power amp is more flexible anyway. Glad the "un-enhance" worked out for you - it is a nice rig you have there.
  7. The 0x

    The 0x Guest

    Aug 24, 2003
    Timonium, MD
    mids are your friend.