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We're going to fire our singer on Saturday...

Discussion in 'Band Management [BG]' started by FriscoBassAce, Jan 5, 2006.


  1. FriscoBassAce

    FriscoBassAce

    Dec 29, 2004
    Frisco, Texas
    Independent Manufacturers Representative
    For too many reasons to list here, the rest of the band, including myself, have elected to fire the singer at our next rehearsal on Saturday. We have nothing against the guy personally, but he's relatively new and is just not working out. Since we're all going to be there on Saturday, what's the best way to do this without appearing that we're ganging up on him? He has gear in our rehearsal studio....so he has to come back there to clean out his stuff. It's going to be awkward any way we do it.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    Just say, "We've decided to go in a different direction and I'm sorry but we won't be working with you anymore. Sorry." Then help him get his stuff out.
     
  3. Best way to do it is have the band leader do it face to face and not in front of the other guys, IMO.
     
  4. FriscoBassAce

    FriscoBassAce

    Dec 29, 2004
    Frisco, Texas
    Independent Manufacturers Representative
    I'm the band leader....I'll be the one to do it, but what do I do about the rest of the guys....send them out of the room?
     
  5. Woodchuck

    Woodchuck

    Apr 21, 2000
    Atlanta / Macon (sigh)
    Gallien Krueger for the last 12 years!
    You should all line up and say, "Will the band step forward! Not so fast, singer guy!" That's how we'd do it. :bag:
     
  6. whitedk57

    whitedk57

    May 5, 2005
    Franklin, NC
    Take him out to lunch on Friday and tell him then. Let him get his stuff without a scene...
     
  7. Tingly

    Tingly

    Jul 16, 2005
    Yonkers, NY
    It would probably be better, all around, if it is at all possible, to get his gear FIRST, so it's, um, like all stacked up, already there and he need not GO anywhere and prolong the agony.

    If your band members are intelligent, articulate, and sensitive, you should all speak to him, together. Each member should shake hands with him and say how great he is, that it is not personal, and encourage him to continue to develop his marvelous talent, and explain that you will all miss him and no one will say anything bad about him to any other local bands, and that you all want to stay friends, and maybe give him a little "going away" gift. :crying:

    On the other hand, if your guys are like most band members, you better do it alone, be as brief as possible, and be ready to have security escort him out!
    :bag:
     
  8. Blanket party. :hyper:
     
  9. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    Wow, I may have to join your fan club, Bassteban!
     
  10. eots

    eots

    Dec 18, 2004
    Morris, IL.
    I like that one.
     
  11. Joe Nerve

    Joe Nerve Supporting Member

    Oct 7, 2000
    New York City
    Endorsing artist: Musicman basses, Hipshot products
    LOL. Every now and then something makes me spit my breakfast out. Thanks.

    I got thrown out of a band that I LOVED several years back, and the main guy did it by telling me "I didn't fit" (I didn't) over the phone. He said it was a really rough decision that they struggled with, but that the whole band agreed. I wasn't happy, to say the least. A short while later I wrote him a letter asking why he didn't have the balls to at least tell me to my face. He said they struggled bigtime with what the best way to do it would be, and finally decided that by phone would be the way they'd want the news broken to them. They thought it would be less humiliating - and then I'd at least be free to react however I wanted without them (or him) staring at me. Looking back they were 100% right.

    I'd say to DEFINITELY not do it with the entire band there, and consider the phone thing - as lame as it might seem at first. I'd also be as honest as possible about why you're chucking the guy. While some people might disagree with that, I feel it gives the person a chance to work past his weaknesses, develop a thicker skin, or at least not question what went wrong.
     
  12. eots

    eots

    Dec 18, 2004
    Morris, IL.
    I like that one better.
     
  13. BillytheBassist

    BillytheBassist

    Aug 18, 2005
    Texas
    I definately don't think you guy's should sugar coat the real reason's why you chose not to work with the guy. Just tell him the truth ..Most musicians understand when there is no chemistry to be had. Make sure their is no hard feelings and that you will refer him to any musicians that may be needing a singer of his genre. I would feel kind of sheisty if someone fired me over the phone though... that's just me of course. I mean, if your gonna fire someone have the cahonies to tell them to their face in person. But hey, the phone thing might be the best route for you. The guy will eventually swallow the acing and move on ... I guess I just think honesty is the best policy. Peace
     
  14. I remember once I was called to a "band meeting" on neutral territory...then they were saying "we get the impression your not happy about something..." (which is true - I was bored) - then we had a discussion for a couple hours and they never actually sacked me, it was more a case of "calm down on the effects and the twiddly bits and you can stay - if not then..."

    That gave me a real shock coz no-one had said anything before - but it was a fairly nice way to do it I think...

    Just do that - casually suggest a drink somewhere before practice - than have a chat with him and tell him to change his ways or he's out...give him a couple weeks to think about it (well...he may say "I'll stop being an awkward son of a bitch" THEN, but not change at all)

    Its better than what my bands keyboard player once did - we'd all decided to ditch the lead guitarist, and it was a case of "you got him in - you get him out" (felt a bit sorry for the guy actually, but I didn't wanna tell him either way...) - anyway he sacked him by PHONE TEXT MESSAGE! - I had him ringing me up after saying "what the...?!" - that has GOT TO BE the worst way of sacking someone!
     
  15. Yeah, definitely never professional to let someone go by e-mail or text message. Just too impersonal. I would say a face to face meeting is best, though I have let someone go over the phone before (it was more a case where someone simply wasn't available enough for us, and he knew it, so there weren't any hard feelings or anything).
     
  16. Sundogue

    Sundogue

    Apr 26, 2001
    Wausau, WI
    I got fired a few years ago...via an e-mail. A phone call wouldn't be any better IMO.

    Be a man. Be honest. The only way to deal with anyone, at any time is to just be open and honest. How he reacts is his choice, but you really do no one any favors by not having the courage of your convictions.

    To fire someone in any manner other than face to face is spineless and cowardly.

    Hey...things happen and we have to deal with them. You guys don't want the singer in the band any more. That's your choice. Nothing wrong with that. You should just tell him, as a group and just be nice about it. Just be an adult. How he reacts to the news is not your issue, it's his.
     
  17. Joe Nerve

    Joe Nerve Supporting Member

    Oct 7, 2000
    New York City
    Endorsing artist: Musicman basses, Hipshot products
    Just cuz I'm bored at work and feel like arguing - my response has nothing to do with cowardice. Reread it if you muct. It has to do with compassion. I disagree with your above affirmation. And your attitude about it. :)
     
  18. Face to face is the way to go. Getting rid of a bandmate is like breaking up. There's no easy way to do it, but there are plenty of crappy ways.
    If the guy freaks out, just point to that as one of the reasons he's not fitting in. And, of course, put valuable/breakable gear out of tantrum range.
     
  19. whitedk57

    whitedk57

    May 5, 2005
    Franklin, NC
    I think he was stating a fact about how he feels on the matter. I too would want a face to face, and I agree with his assessment of it being spineless and cowardly.

    Would you give your 2 week notice at work by email? I wouldn't either...
     
  20. Sundogue

    Sundogue

    Apr 26, 2001
    Wausau, WI
    Yeah, me too. :)

    Where is the compassion in a phone call or e-mail? I couldn't think of anything less compassionate or more impersonal than firing someone over the phone...except an e-mail...or worse yet a fax.

    Or...how about really showing compassion and having all the guy's gear sitting outside the door with a note tacked on it? :p