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Wet dry Wet bassrig...

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Muziekschuur, Apr 10, 2012.

  1. Muziekschuur


    May 25, 2009
    Well, as some of you know I did score a Hiwatt Maxxwatt Tall b412 cabinet. Wich basically looks like a 8x10 cabinet (maybe slightly smaller).

    I do have 2 tubeheads and 2 solidstate heads and a Alesis Matica 900 amplifier. Now I'm thinking of constructing a WET DRY WET setup with that one cabinet.

    For those who don't know, let's get into that. Many of you have seen a stereo pedal or effect. If you use that full wet on two cabs it can be disturbing to your balance on stage. So if you add a dry center that problem goes away. It allso gives the listener, with bass much more feel. Because in a mix bass is usually mono. Because solid ritmn is more important to the listener than the stereo or surround effect.

    I allready have a pedalboard that has 3 outputs. I have a Mesa Boogie V-twin and a wah. Those are on the input side. One of the outputs of the V-twin goes straight out and is the DRY. Then another signal goes into a stereo chorus (1 inputs and two outputs) and that goes into a reverb pedal (two inputs and two outputs) and that goes to two seperate outputs.

    On the cab I'd like two heads or a flightcased stereo amp and a tubehead center.

    So far my plans. For this to work I need to modify the cabinet to take three inputs. One center for two 12 inches as center/dry. And 2x 1x12 inch for left and right... Now... This cabinet has a tweeter. I do have two more tweeters if nessesary. I could allso use the tweeter for center....

    And I have severall 19 inch modules for extra effects. But I am not sure. What (older) module would give me nice bass effects.

    Any remarks. And if you have.... What's your rig (photo would be nice).

    Thank you for reading.
  2. RickenBoogie


    Jul 22, 2007
    Dallas, TX
    Whatever cab you use, would have to have isolated inputs to use part of the cab only. example, an 8x10 with separate inputs for the top 410 and bottom 410. If your cab does not have this feature, you CANNOT plug more than one amp into it.
  3. Muziekschuur


    May 25, 2009
    I'll rewire it... no problem.
  4. Primakurtz

    Primakurtz Registered Nihilist Supporting Member

    Nov 23, 2011
    Denver, Colorado
    In my experience, W/D rigs don't sound great using one cabinet, unless the speakers are completely separated internally. I am not familiar with that Hiwatt cab, though.
  5. Eric Moesle

    Eric Moesle

    Sep 21, 2001
    Columbus OH
    Its not a question of wiring.... you must be certain that the drivers are PHYSICALLY SEPARATED into different compartments from each other for this to work.

    Example, the Ampeg 8x10 is FOUR separate compartments of two 10's each. The Carvin 8x10, and many other manufacturers place ALL of the drivers in ONE internal space.

    Different sources require separation.
  6. JimmyM


    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    Ya, I agree. Separate cabs all the way around. So much easier in the long run.
  7. FC Bass

    FC Bass Alembic and Mesa/Boogie junkie

    Jun 9, 2006
    This is my "Wet/Dry" rig:



    Clean signal into channel 2 of the bass 400, Wah/Fuzz into channel 1 of the Bass 400.
    Slave out from the Bass 400 goes through the effectsprocessors to the Strategy 400.

    So the Bass 400 always has a dry output (except for the wah/fuzz sounds) Strategy 400 has the dry sound from the Bass 400 + effects from the processors when needed.

    The bass 400 feeds the 1x15 cabs and the Strategy the 2x10 cabs (stereo)

    and don't forget to put a cat in one cab:

  8. Primakurtz

    Primakurtz Registered Nihilist Supporting Member

    Nov 23, 2011
    Denver, Colorado
    So really, this is a W/D/W/Cat rig... :)

    Must sound monstrous!
  9. Muziekschuur


    May 25, 2009
    Ok. Different approach. I do have a 2x10 cabinet. If I open that and separate the speakers I can do left and right. And have a 1x15 for a dry signal..... Hmmm.

    Well, first, let me open up that Hiwatt and let's have a look...

    I allso have a Trace elliot 250 head wich is actually a 1008c. Wich means it once was a 8x10 combo. And that combo had 4 2x10 compartiments asswell..
  10. Muziekschuur


    May 25, 2009
    FC BASS, did you ever try WET DRY WET? All you need would be a 2x100 watt solidstate head wich you probably have lying around...
  11. Passinwind

    Passinwind I Know Nothing Supporting Member Commercial User

    Dec 3, 2003
    Columbia River Gorge, WA.
    Owner/Designer &Toaster Tech Passinwind Electronics
    I've experimented with this sort of stuff for many years. I prefer just using a stereo rig with a 15 foot spread and band limiting one side (cutting deep lows), or vertically stacking two cabs and running clean/dirty but with the option for clean effects in both cabs. If I want more spread than that I just send EFX to the house.

    Here's one old permutation of my rig:

  12. R Baer

    R Baer Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jun 5, 2008
    President, Baer Amplification
    That rig really is just too pretty to take on any gig!
  13. Passinwind

    Passinwind I Know Nothing Supporting Member Commercial User

    Dec 3, 2003
    Columbia River Gorge, WA.
    Owner/Designer &Toaster Tech Passinwind Electronics
    Not to mention way too heavy and bulky! ;)

    All the PA trappings reflect my usage of multiple EFX paths, plus guitar synth, a sampler, processed vocals, etc., in Passing Wind. A mini mixer like the VLZ 1202 I used to have was just barely enough for those gigs, hence the Crest XR-20 board.The footswitch controls my Rane speaker management system, which can also change things like EFX patching/mixing, EQ, multiband compression, and also has an expression pedal hookup for panning and wet/dry mixing in real time.

    I have four different top boxes (6 + tweeter), and have tried some satellite w/sub configurations too. That might be more in line with the original premise of this thread, I guess?
  14. Muziekschuur


    May 25, 2009
    I do have two tweeters wich are the same as in current EBS 1x10 cabs. So I'm thinking of creating something small. Wich does the WET DRY WET thing. But in a small footprint. I do have big stuff. And I do mean BIG STUFF. But it's time for the smart stuff.

    Passin wind. I do have two custom wood build Bagend TA2000 cabs. So I could do the same. But I just want something wich is smart... Not sure what at the moment.
  15. Passinwind

    Passinwind I Know Nothing Supporting Member Commercial User

    Dec 3, 2003
    Columbia River Gorge, WA.
    Owner/Designer &Toaster Tech Passinwind Electronics
    Play jazz gigs that only require a 112 cab? :cool:

    Seriously, a pair of satellite cabs with an 8 or 10 and a tweeter would probably work great for what you seem to want.
  16. Muziekschuur


    May 25, 2009
    Well, I play guitar and bass. And I have like 8 or 10 cabinets. 6 heads and 3 combo's. I now understand that a rig needs to be compact. So it needs to be one rack and one cabinet... Well, we'll see how that turns out.
  17. Dave W

    Dave W Supporting Member

    Mar 1, 2007
    White Plains
    It certainly makes things easier, but a rig does not need to be compact.

    Now, playing a live gig at your standard bar with a rig like that would just piss off the sound guy. They are not going to want to mic up 3 different cabs, or take 3 DI's, or any combination of that to get a bass tone.
  18. Muziekschuur


    May 25, 2009

    I own 20 KW of Bagend P.A. So that's no concern either.
    I just want a small rig. I have big rigs too.

    Can't park the big stuff in the house. But still want to setup scenes.. for different songs.
  19. vbchaos


    Sep 5, 2011
    Groningen, The Netherlands
    Uncompensated endorsing user: fEARful
    Did you ever continue with your wet/dry/wet setup??
  20. Bassmec


    May 9, 2008
    Ipswich UK
    Proprietor Springvale Studios
    I don't know about him and his wet, dry, wet but I offer a wet, dry all tube option in my rehearsal/recording facility back line as standard, as many Metal bass players find this is a very good way of maintaining punch and clarity with higher levels of distortional and other FX running.
    No cooling fans but plenty of KT 88's and big partridge transformers so records legendarily well on just one well placed U87.
    No need for stereo just one really strong resultant channel will do me.:bassist:
    This is Mr Johnson of Devilment giving it in large portions in rehearsal.
    PS you can never have enough preamps though.