what CUSTOM BASS builder would you choose?.. budget=$1800

Find a local luthier. Tell them what you want and expect for what you have to spend. Don't waste their time with the I want, I want, I want, and change your mind a hundred times. That drives Luthiers nuts. If you go local, you can check the progress, and offer opinions on what feels good and what feels off to you, and they should be able to make you what you want.
 
Lo end PUNCH said:
From personal experience I will go in this order:
Le Compte-great basses with great attention to detail and great designs to boot!

FBB-Same as above!

US Masters-Beautiful instruments with unique patents, one shape but they are incredible instruments that are great on the pocket.

+1 On the US Masters :hyper:
 
Give Michael Dolan another look. He was mentioned here earlier. He's kinda a local guy, but he's experienced and versatile, and does awesome work. He also has a very reasonable pricerange which is right in your area.
 
Tell them what you want and expect for what you have to spend. Don't waste their time with the I want, I want, I want, and change your mind a hundred times.

AMEN to that!

Thanks for the supportive words, Billy! (and hello)

No , I'm not taking orders yet (watch for Hoytbasses.com at a computer near you probably in early 2007)

my vote would be for any of the makers previously listed but I'd say FBB, Lecompte, or Stambaugh in no particular order. All are reasonable and nice folks who will work with you.

The MAIN thing is to seriously ask yourself what you want/need in a bass that you don't already have in your current axes. Secondly, how experienced are you? If you are a living room player or relatively new player, why on earth do you want to pay that much doe for a bass? Figure out what you're all about musically before throwing a tone of bucks towards something you may not like 5 years from now.


If you are a weekend warrior or a pro, do you really want drunks banging into your totally custom instrument when you're on break? it's going to sound wierd coming from a bass builder, but I hate the thought of building a boutique bass that's just going to sit in a case. I've always been a player first and a bassoholic second. Who cares if you have a carpathian burl top on a samoan lynxwood body with a through neck of wenge,maple and snakewood IF you can't take it out and play it!

If you are one of these folks who buy and trade basses like baseball cards, please don't call us to build you a bass. We put a bit of our soul into every instrument and a little bit of our soul gets ripped out every time someone capriciously buys, then sells one of the instruments we have put our souls into building. We want to see them used and loved.

I agree with the person who says: 'Stay Local'. I personally would NEVER buy a bass from a custom builder across the country if I can't play it first. REmember, I'm a gigging musician first (probably 50 dates a year... so mostly weekend warrior) and it isn't worth anything if it doesn't work for you.

finally, TRUST THE BUILDER'S JUDGEMENT. Too many customers think they have the next great design in their heads that, in point of fact, won't work from a player's/ergonomic perspective...... I made that mistake in listening to a couple customers and their basses, frankly, weren't very good when the above requisites were taken into account ( you can be sure they played and sounded damned good because I wouldn't let them go out the door otherwise but aesthetically they were not that good)

P.S...... no custom bass will ever supplant practice, technique, and fundamentals. too often someone thinks that the next great bass will make the player better. nope, It don't work like that! it all comes down to the P word: practice. I'm a pretty damned good bassist and I learned on a Harmony with bow and arrow style action. ( it also started me as an instrument builder) . Getting my first precision only helped my technique get more fluid because I wasn't fighting the bass.

good luck on your quest

Karl Hoyt
 
hoytbasses said:
...Thanks for the supportive words, Billy! (and hello)

You're welcome...totally deserved and Hello right back!

hoytbasses said:
I agree with the person who says: 'Stay Local'. I personally would NEVER buy a bass from a custom builder across the country if I can't play it first.

Oh oh...on two accounts;) But that's kind of a chicken-and-egg thing... a truly custom bass isn't built when you buy it... I'd agree that one should be familiar with the builder's work (and have played one of their instruments)...although that's not how Karl and I started off. I couldn't be happier though.

hoytbasses said:
P.S...... no custom bass will ever supplant practice, technique, and fundamentals....

Drat:( But wait...that means that the delightful sounds that pour out of my amp when I play my Hoyts are because of me!:hyper:
 
hoytbasses said:
If you are one of these folks who buy and trade basses like baseball cards, please don't call us to build you a bass. We put a bit of our soul into every instrument and a little bit of our soul gets ripped out every time someone capriciously buys, then sells one of the instruments we have put our souls into building. We want to see them used and loved.
Great Post! But I have to say I don't understand the above quoted bit. Doesn't that describe a dealer? But mainly, if someone sells a bass to another player who will use it and love it, what's the difference?
Also I put quite a bit of my time and effort into making money, sometimes even what could be described as a little soul. If I buy a bass or order one and then turn around and sell it, I don't consider it to be capricious at all.
What's that mean again? :D
 
I have an FBB (32" scale), loaded with a lot of upcharge extras (matching headstock veneer, etc.) and the total came in under $1800. I feel Matt did an excellent job with the overall shape and balance of the bass, it is both beautiful and comfortable. Unfortunately that WAS my first time having a custom bass built, and I got greedy for features that I hadn't ever tried or heard before, so I made some stupid choices. Not Matt's fault, he built what I asked for. Now I am in that "change this, change that" stage, debating whether to keep it, feeling guilty about asking Matt to make changes, debating whether to have a different luthier modify it, feeling guilty about THAT...

Obviously, the "moral of the story" is to be as familiar and experienced as possible with the features you ask for, before you order. Also, Matt did make some "executive decisions" on features that I hadn't specified clearly, which in retrospect I wish I had thought to specify. So either specify every small detail, or be sure to check in with your luthier about any artistic/executive decisions they made on their own.

FWIW, the next custom I order will probably be a LeCompte. But I will be much more careful what I ask for, next time. And, again, if you know what you want, Matt at FBB can and will build you a very high quality short/medium scale bass in your price range.
 
hoytbasses said:
finally, TRUST THE BUILDER'S JUDGEMENT.

I beleive that this is the most important line from your post...thanks for putting it out there.

I always have an idea in mind when I am looking to have something made for me, but I will always defer to the builder. I have not made any basses myself...I prefer to leave that to the professionals. If I have a bad design idea or if my wood choices are gonna sound like ass, I want to know about it.
 
Akito said:
Great Post! But I have to say I don't understand the above quoted bit. Doesn't that describe a dealer? But mainly, if someone sells a bass to another player who will use it and love it, what's the difference?
If I buy a bass or order one and then turn around and sell it, I don't consider it to be capricious at all.
What's that mean again? :D

point well taken: I'm not really talking about dealers: that's their job and I have personally had some nice involvement with Brian Barrett and a couple others. What I'm talking about are collectors as opposed to players. I guess My OLD age is showing. I personally own only 3 basses : My trusty 4 banger gig bass, a 4 string fretless, and a 5 string J. They all have a function for specific gigs. The idea of collecting and trading basses is foreign to this parsimonious old new englander. I build basses with the intended player in mind and put a lot of energy into trying to make the bass THE bass in the person's arsenal. so when it gets sold months later, it troubles me.

In truth, this rarely happens with my basses, maybe because of the aformentioned energy I pump into the bass. but it's always a little disheartening to see a bass bounce from owner to owner. I love it when I'm cruising the net and find bassists who proudly claim that my bass is their #1 favorite bass. That's the person I want to build stuff for.

I also understand that bass building for customers across continents or oceans is a bit of a crapshoot and basses will not always fit. That's where having as complete a set of specifications as possible comes in.

what was I talking about?

take care

Karl Hoyt
 
Akito said:
Great Post! But I have to say I don't understand the above quoted bit. Doesn't that describe a dealer? But mainly, if someone sells a bass to another player who will use it and love it, what's the difference?
Also I put quite a bit of my time and effort into making money, sometimes even what could be described as a little soul. If I buy a bass or order one and then turn around and sell it, I don't consider it to be capricious at all.
What's that mean again? :D

It means that too many peeps who order custom basses don't know what the hell they want!!!!

Hey, I have been that guy before, and I know I disheartened one of the builders (kinda) that I placed an order with, so I fully know what this guy is talking about. Dealers have an understanding that they are going to sell the instruments. Direct customers, like people who have bought from Nordstrand, R bass, Stambaugh and such without a dealer, have no excuse for not liking the bass they have built to every spec they toss out.

That don't mean that it won't happen that they don't like the bass, but lets be honest, it doesn't really help anyone for yahoos to order custom basses, hound the lithier about when it will be done, and then turn around and sell it after all the fanfare of ' I got my new bass!!!! '.


That said, FBB Stambaugh, Lecompte are the three I would think can accomplish the specs at the beginning of the thread. The other names, with one or two exceptions, will not be able to hit that target.
 
A bit off topic of custom builders, but may help with the scale length issue. Have you ever tried a 3 finger technique with your left hand. I applied this after i switched from upright and I know quite a few other players who use it. Basically you use your index and middle fingers, and your ring and pinky act as one finger. You only get a three fret spread, but you can always strech out of position when needed. I have pretty large fingers, but find this technique very comfortable and familiar.