Fire them. Duh. Don't reply with that unless you give some compelling reasons. Here's the situation: We have had songs that were asked to be learned by everyone. We gave them CD's, helped with any chords/breaks they didn't understand, and rehearse if they have questions. 3 of us know our stuff, and have almost literally never been corrected by each other or the other 3. The other 3 say that they're "close enough", or that they need us to literally write sheet music so that they can follow along with the CD. (Literally write sheet music) Or that they need more time. (it's been over a month already) We can't get rid of them mostly because we would be set backwards as a band due to having to try someone out, then have them learn the stuff. It takes forever to find anyone to just try out, so it would be like another month. I like the guitar player, too, and I think he can improve but just doesn't see it yet. How can I show that they're really slow and not a good fit for this band, or need to "step it up" more than they are? I've already stated that we should be a lot farther along than we are, but it just gets blown off as "oh you just don't like them" and "you need to address your own faults before attacking others," etc. etc. I do like the guitar guy and think he just needs a little motivation, but the drummer just isn't pulling his load at all. Recording practice doesn't work because they all say "See, we sound great!" Any tips on how to show the lacking ones and the whole band that we need to be farther along?