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What do I need to compete with all the noise?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Pork Soda, Oct 4, 2001.


  1. Pork Soda

    Pork Soda

    Oct 4, 2001
    Here is my bands current setup. Our lead guitarist uses a Behrenger 65w 1x12, our main guitarist uses a crate practice amp with extension cab but soon plans to get a Line 6 100w 2x12 combo. Our drummer uses...drums, I'm not sure what kind they are but they are very loud.
    Right now, I use my friend's dad's 80w Peavey 2x12 guitar combo because all I have is practice amp.
    I think I'm ready to get a real bass amp now, what would I need to compete with all this noise (or surpass it, the bass is supposed to stand out in a lot of our songs). I'll keep an open mind to whatever you suggest.
    I've been looking the Ampeg 210 sp combo, would this be good enough or would I need something more like a GK 700rb and 4x10 cab.
    give me some help here please.
    What would you recommend?
     
  2. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Total Hyper-Elite Member Gold Supporting Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    You need at least :::: drum roll :::: 300 watts. Not GK, either. SWR if you must.
     
  3. Luis Fabara

    Luis Fabara

    Aug 13, 2000
    Ecuador (South America)
    Audio Pro - Ecuador
    I recommend you get at least 300 Watts Head at 4 Ohms.
    And a 4x10" Cab that has a sensivity of at leas 100dB´s.

    Too complicated?
    Ok.

    If you have the money:
    Buy EDEN

    If you dont:
    Buy Carvin.

    :)
    Simple.
     
  4. Pork Soda

    Pork Soda

    Oct 4, 2001
    Why not GK? I can get a 700rb head for $400 or an 800rb head for $475 and a rbh 4x10 cab for $550 (that would optimise the biamp function). I think that is a pretty good deal.
    Where is the best (or cheapest) place to get Carvin or SWR amps? I don't think I could afford Eden, but that would be nice. Unless I could get a good Eden set-up for less than $1000???
     
  5. Luis Fabara

    Luis Fabara

    Aug 13, 2000
    Ecuador (South America)
    Audio Pro - Ecuador
    The only place you can get Carvin...
    Is from CARVIN.

    www.carvin.com
    They sell factory direct.

    There is a dealer tough in Florida, but they dont have the newest in stock, so it would be the same.
     
  6. EString

    EString

    Nov 20, 2000
    Los Altos, CA
    As far as what brand of amps to go with:

    FORSFYD!!!

    Someone elses preference in sound will not necessarily match yours.
     
  7. Top work Estring

    Yeah man I fell your pain Porky boy I am also in the market for something a a little bit more serious, but unfortunatly I am gonna have to get some piece of crap combo cause I have no money, damn it.

    I'll probly have to settle for like a 15 inch upwards of 200 watts, which will go alright I spose, but it won't beat a proper amp

    Maybe when I have a job, whatever that is:confused:

    -Maurice (primus rule)
     
  8. rickbass

    rickbass Supporting Member

    Bass Central is a Carvin amp dealer. They are absolutely super to deal with. One of our prominent Talkbassers, Gard, works there.

    Shoot `em an email and see if they can do something for you www.basscentral.com . Carvin RC-210 owners seem very satisfied with their purchase. If you bridged it with two cabs, you can push 600W.
     
  9. Pork Soda

    Pork Soda

    Oct 4, 2001
    There are a couple more combo's I am considering now, so tell me what you think. I will probably try them out before I get one but our local music store only carries Fender, SWR (la series), and Peavy. In two months there is a Guitar Center opening 2 blocks away from me so then I can finally do some tests. But right now I just want to know if these amps will be sufficient for playing in a full band at small to medium sized shows:

    Ampeg b210sp-220w-$475
    Gallien-Krueger 700rg1x12-225w-$700
    SWR silverado 212-350w-$900
    Carvin RC210-600w-$800
    Carvin RL6815-600w-$900
     
  10. My Harkte 2115 competes and more with odds worth than that, but i would definately say look into getting a nice powerful carvin.
     
  11. Carvin RC210. You can add a 15, 18, or more 10 later if you need it.
     
  12. brianrost

    brianrost Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 26, 2000
    Boston, Taxachusetts
    The GK setup you mentioned will do fine. Be careful worrying about brands, if you wait long enough this thread will eventually recommend every bass amp ever made :) GK is serious pro gear, you may personally love or hate the tone (so listen before you buy), but it's definitely up to the job.

    I wouldn't draw the line at 300 watts, a 200 watt head (like the 400RB) will do in your case well enough.

    Buy used if you need to save money, I've seen some Peavey and Ampeg 4-10s go as cheap as $250 used.
     
  13. eli

    eli Mad showoff 7-stringer and Wish lover Supporting Member

    Dec 12, 1999
    NW suburban Chicago
    As with any combos, be sure to check the amp's output INTO THE SPEAKER LOAD IN THE COMBO!

    Many combos are rated so many watts (say 200 for example) into 4 ohms -- but then the speaker is 8 ohms, meaning the amp will only push 100 to 150 watts into it. These are usually set up this way so you can add an 8-ohm extension cab for full output into a 4-ohm total load.

    2x10 and 2x12 combos are almost always wired parallel, and frequently use 2 16-ohm speakers to get that 8-ohm load (again even though the amp is rated at 4 ohms).
     
  14. Rockinjc

    Rockinjc

    Dec 17, 1999
    Michigan
    A baseball bat might help!
    :D
    jc
     
  15. Well, I got by for a long time in a VERY loud band (three guitarists with 50 watt mesa/65 watt fender/another 65 watt fender and a drummer who simply couldn't play quietly) with a peavey MKIII and a BFI 1X15 cab, so that was only about 75 watts.

    mike
     
  16. Pork- my band set up is very similar..fender 1 12" pratice amp and a 2x12 fender 100watt combo for guitarists and also a loud drummer. For this arrangment my Ampeg B2 combo has been fine though I'm really running it just about at its limits at practice as we too have a lot of bass oriented songs...the 1x12 is soon to be replaced by a 4x12 and I am just now adding an extensinon cab(undecided as to which) to my combo to get the full 350watts out of it. I just think its a good combo that allows decent expandability.
     
  17. Alexander

    Alexander

    Aug 13, 2001
    Seattle, WA
    If you don't have the $$$s for a stack, try out a Nemesis 4X10. I got one a few months back to combat the same problem - I had an Ampeg B-50R trying to keep up with the same size band you are talking about. Now they've got to turn up to compete with me. :D

    With mids boosted to cut through the distortion, I keep my gain set around 1:00 and my volume at 4. I can't imagine turning it all the way up. But maybe that is me...
     
  18. eli

    eli Mad showoff 7-stringer and Wish lover Supporting Member

    Dec 12, 1999
    NW suburban Chicago
    Back to recommendations: Carvin does indeed sell more watts per dollar than just about anything else out there. Decent features too. I am really sold on this outfit

    Your other option of course is second-hand. But you really have to do your homework to know what the specs are on something, but you can usually find the info on the net. And really CRANK the amp before you buy it, 'cause there's no guarantees. Basses are easy -- for the most part, either they work or they don't. But amps have weird things that don't show up until 10 or even 30 minutes in. Make sure you like its tone LOUD.
     
  19. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Total Hyper-Elite Member Gold Supporting Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    BTW, I really like your screen name. Sounds like something I'd drink ... just before another myocardial infarction. Boy, I love that word too ... infarction ... but not what it represents.
     
  20. istaticl

    istaticl

    Nov 29, 2000
    Prescott, AZ
    I play a Ampeg B-2 Combo agianst a Line 6 Flextone 100 watt amp and drums and I can get loud enough. You can also get an extension cab if you need more power.