What is the rhythm in King Floyd's "Groove Me"?

Discussion in 'General Instruction [BG]' started by DannyShem, Jul 27, 2017.

  1. DannyShem


    Jan 31, 2013
    "Groove Me" is a great grooving bass line, with a lot of syncopation. I am wondering what family the rhythm belongs to. Funk? R&B?

    The bass and kick drum are synched, over a two measure riff, hitting the following beats:
    1, 1+, 3+, 1+, 3+, 4+, repeat...
    ...while the drummer is hitting the snare drum on 2, 4.

    Here is a pretty cool drum cover of Groove Me, where you can see the kick drum in action:

    And here is a site with the bass transcription (the site is in German)
    Four-Strings Basslessons: Weekly Basslines #73: Groove me (King Floyd)
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  2. mambo4


    Jun 9, 2006
    Cool groove.
    I'd call it New Orleans Soul or New Orleans Funk.

    Before corporate consolidation of radio and record companies in the 1980's
    most american music styles had a wonderful regional character.
    African rhythms by way of the Caribbean seeped into western music
    and New Orleans arguably has held on to those rhythms more closely than other places.
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  3. dtripoli


    Aug 15, 2010
    Played it in a band and they insisted it was reggae, to which I said, No Way it's closer to funk. They said I didn't know music so,
    I rage quit the band for a whole week....lol
    Hard to categorize that song.
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  4. mambo4


    Jun 9, 2006
    If the guitar hits an offbeat : Reggae
    If there are also horns: Ska
  5. Spin Doctor

    Spin Doctor In Memoriam

    Nov 14, 2008
    Southern Maryland, USA
    Yeah it's just a funk tune. I guess the bassline throws people off.

    Along those lines, a lot of well meaning people think the Police song "Roxanne" is Reggae but it's actually a Tango. I guess if there is any kind of syncopation whatsoever, then the default genre is reggae, lol.
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  6. DWBass

    DWBass The Funkfather

    R&B/Funk. Def not reggae. The guitar and organ are just doing what a horn section would be doing there. Horn section is doing it's own thing as well. It's a well crafted song. Been playing it for over 35 years or more.
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  7. DannyShem


    Jan 31, 2013
    Funk it is then. Are there other songs that have a similar bass line rhythm?
  8. elgecko


    Apr 30, 2007
    Anasleim, CA
    I have a hard time calling Roxanne tango. Tango is defined by and-one. Roxanne shifts it to and-two. They both share the prominent quarter note feel but moving the "down beat" to two completely changes the feel.
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  9. DWBass

    DWBass The Funkfather

    Check out Fencewalk by Mandrill. Same style of syncopated rhythm and staggered bassline and horns spitting in and out.
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  10. Oddly


    Jan 17, 2014
    Dublin, Ireland.
    I'd call it funk.
    Not heard this song before, it's excellent.
    Reminds me a bit of Bill Wither's 'Use Me'

  11. Spin Doctor

    Spin Doctor In Memoriam

    Nov 14, 2008
    Southern Maryland, USA
    Sting himself said it was a Tango...
  12. Groove Master

    Groove Master Commercial User

    Apr 22, 2011
    Author of Groove 101, Slap 101 and Technique 101
    I didn't know that JB was the king of reggae :roflmao:
  13. Funky Ghost

    Funky Ghost Translucently Groovy

    I rather like the Blues Brothers version of the song from Briefcase full of Blues. It's absolutely reggae in their version given the vocal delivery along with the music.
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  14. Brother Goose

    Brother Goose The Process IS the Reward! Supporting Member

    Dec 4, 2013
    Syracuse NY
    God Is Love
    This was one of the first songs I learned: Mama taught it to me by snapping her fingers and singing the syncopated notes. This is old school funk/soul and Syncopation 101!
  15. mambo4


    Jun 9, 2006
    you forgot : it has horns therefore it must be ska.
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  16. Funky Ghost

    Funky Ghost Translucently Groovy

    I think it may be an amalgam Bluskagae :)
  17. elgecko


    Apr 30, 2007
    Anasleim, CA
    Sting's just a singer in a rock and roll band!

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  18. Spin Doctor

    Spin Doctor In Memoriam

    Nov 14, 2008
    Southern Maryland, USA
    Not sure if you were kidding, but vocal delivery doesn't make a song any particular thing. If I sing Groove Me like Carusso, does that make it Opera? Ahh no.

    The bassline doesn't make any song a particular thing.

    Reggae is a melting pot of things, but the main thing is not the bassline... It's the "skank". That upstroked rhythm guitar line that really makes reggae, reggae. If you don't hear that, get that whole, "it's reggae" thing out of your mind.

    What do you think Marley is talking about when he says "skank it, skank it"? He never said "Bass it, bass it"... If you play a skank rhythm all by itself, you should instantly think reggae...
    Last edited: Aug 9, 2017
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  19. Funky Ghost

    Funky Ghost Translucently Groovy

    Not kidding, as such, the vocal delivery informed the intent. They clearly added a reggae vibe to it. That doesn't mean it is 100% but as I said, the intent was there for that kinda a feel to the song. For that, I dig it berry much mon :D
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  20. bass12

    bass12 Have You Met Grace Jones?

    Jun 8, 2008
    Montreal, Canada
    Skanking also refers to dancing, and there's way more talk about the bass in reggae than there is of "the skank". Additionally, it's often very easy to tell if a song is reggae just by the bass line.