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What makes more sense?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by spidersbass, Dec 1, 2005.


  1. spidersbass

    spidersbass

    Nov 29, 2004
    Downtown L.A.
    what makes more sense to do first? upgrading bass amp or upgrading bass

    i have a hartke HA4000 and VX 410... want to upgrade to ampeg SVT4-Pro and their 810s

    my bass is an Ibanez SR400 with active EMG's... want to upgrade to Warwick Thumb

    don't know what i should get first :help:
     
  2. specplyrz

    specplyrz Banned

    Nov 11, 2005
    Get the amp first. Then your new bass will sound that much better!!! :D
     
  3. Eric Moesle

    Eric Moesle Supporting Member

    Sep 21, 2001
    Columbus OH
    In your case, your bass is fine. I'd upgrade the amp first. Actually, upgrading the cab would be my first priority.
     
  4. Crockettnj

    Crockettnj

    Sep 2, 2005
    North NJ
    totally opinion.

    your bass and your amp and your cab are about on the same "level" imo.

    do you like your bass? a lot? have you played the warwick? Do you like it a LOT more?

    the 810 is a coffin. no, it's a fridge. either way, its a tank. no, well, its big and heavy is the point. unless y ou have played it and find it vastly superior to your hartke rig (which imo i doubt it is) then whats the point of all that extra wood and metal?

    since the bass, amp, and cab are all "decent", your question is not so much as a logical/ logistics problem you want solved as it is personal choice and personal preference.

    so, i prefer that you like blue best. And apples are your favorite fruit as well.
     
  5. It depends on what your needs are - whether you need more volume, different tone or improved playability.

    If your 410 isn't cutting it volume-wise, upgrading your bass won't help you. Upgrading your bass will help with getting a different tone and improving playability, but not with volume levels. On the other hand, while getting a new amp may give you more tonal options, it may not be able to make your ibanez sound like a J or P, or whatever tone you're going for.
     
  6. spidersbass

    spidersbass

    Nov 29, 2004
    Downtown L.A.
    i like what i have equally, and i wish i had what i want equally. i guess i just need more volume and that ampeg can handle that easily, and the tone is bad freakin' ass on it. i just don't think i'll get the tone i wish i had with the ibanez i have.

    thats why i seek the pros whove been doing this for years to tell me what would make more sense since what i have is decent, but what i want is godly

    don't know if i made any sense, but please, continue with your suggestions, i learn a lot from this forum
     
  7. BassyBill

    BassyBill The smooth moderator... Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 12, 2005
    West Midlands UK
    +1 on this, good post.
     
  8. Steve

    Steve

    Aug 10, 2001
    For years I played good journeyman instruments through really nice amps...and I was happy.

    Then I switched to 5 strings and started with a cheaper bass through really nice amps and I was..not so happy.

    Then I started buying REALLY FRIGGAN NICE instruments...now I'm happy playing through just about any rig.

    Some people say their tone is in their rig...some say it's in the instruments some say it's in the hands.

    I found my tone in my hands...my hands touch the instrument...thats what worked for me.

    Find out where YOUR tone is and you'll find your answer.
     
  9. Plain Old Me

    Plain Old Me

    Dec 14, 2004
    I'd say that the Ibaniz bass should be good for now; their gear is usually excellent, especially for the price. As for upgrading the amp, I think you should upgrade both the head and cab at the same time, but if you can't get something that you will keep for each, get em separately. Now for upgrading, what kinda tone do you want? Tubey and warm? Clean and hi-fi? Beware that most Ampeg 810s can't handle anything below the low E, so I hope you don't plan on using a B string...
     
  10. jmain

    jmain Oo, Uhn't uh, Yes! Supporting Member

    Apr 23, 2005
    Alexandria, VA
    It does depend on what your current needs are. If it's not totally imperative that you upgrade, like tomorrow; then I'd shop the used market and find out more about the Warwick and the Ampeg rig. IMO, if your current setup is doing the job for now, I'd get the bass first; but only if it popped up first in good condition.

    I gotta agree: That 8x10 is burley! You can prolly get the same tone out of a lighter and/or modular rig? (The sound should be big and your playing heavy, the rig doesn't necessarily have to be.) I say get your mind around what you want and then see when it might pop up used, and get that one first. While you're shopping, keep asking yourself and others questions.
     
  11. abngourmet

    abngourmet Gold Supporting Member

    Nov 11, 2004
    USA
    Biker is right on, IMHO. The tone is in your hands. You can give the most expensive rig and bass to two or three totally different guys, and you will get two or three totally different sounds and tones. Why? We all approach the instrument differently. When you figure out what your tone is, then all else will follow.

    It took me years, but for me, my tone is a cross between Jaco, Geddy, John Entwistle, Chris Squire, and Stanley. And my equipment reflects that. I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford and play a bunch of wonderful instruments that meet these requirements. You'll find yours, I'm sure.

    Remember, you play the bass .. the bass doesn't play you.

    My two cents,

    Alan
     
  12. spidersbass

    spidersbass

    Nov 29, 2004
    Downtown L.A.
    its the tubey warm sound that i'm lusting after, i dont' like that hifi sound unless i'm doing some Billy Sheehan style tapping every now and then. my style, sound, and technique is a cross between Timmy C. (in the Rage days), Ryan Martinie (Mudvayne), and Justin Chancellor (Tool).

    I've played a Wawick Thumb and a Traben through a hartke 3500 and VX810, (to me) the Traben sounded like trash compared to the Thumb. and the Thumb/Hartke combination sounded like trash when i compared it to a Spector Legend 4 (Professional?) through the SVT4 and ampeg 810e. i was able to get so much rumbling low end from the spector/ampeg combination, which i love. but those a-holes at guitar center wont let me try the Thumb through the ampegs.

    so i'm guessing my tone comes from the amp more than anything?

    damn, this is tough!
     
  13. cheezewiz

    cheezewiz

    Mar 27, 2002
    Ohio
    If you want a tubey, somewhat overdriven sound, then why get a solid state amp head, like the SVT4? Go for an SVT CL, a SVT II, a Mesa 400+, or something similar. Also, make sure you know what you get with the Warwick. They are a love/hate prospect, and I'm in the latter group. Having said that, some here love 'em. You may also considier a Bergantino NV610 rather than an Ampeg Fridge. The Berg is a lot smaller, a lot lighter, handles just as much power, and sounds even better, with a similar vibe. There isn't much difference in cost.
     
  14. Why would the guy's at GC let you play the Thumb and the Ampeg rig separately, but not together?
     
  15. buzzbass

    buzzbass Shoo Shoo Retarded Flu !

    Apr 23, 2003
    NJ
    you're misinformed. the 4pro is a full tube preamp with a mosfet power section. If I remember correctly it has 6 12ax7s. It's been awhile since I've been in mine.
     
  16. cheezewiz

    cheezewiz

    Mar 27, 2002
    Ohio

    Right..I understand. To me though, it seems as if a great deal of "tube tone" comes from power tubes. JMHO.
     
  17. spidersbass

    spidersbass

    Nov 29, 2004
    Downtown L.A.
    i played the thumb and traben with the hartke rig over at samash. the spector and ampeg rig at guitar center. local stores around here have nothing of that sort unless i special order it i think
     
  18. cheezewiz

    cheezewiz

    Mar 27, 2002
    Ohio
    Make sure you spend plenty of time with that Thumb. The neck on a Thumb, and the neck on an Ibanez soundgear, are about as similar as Paris Hilton and Mama Cass, with the Warwank being Mama Cass.
     
  19. spidersbass

    spidersbass

    Nov 29, 2004
    Downtown L.A.
    yea i know man, i need a bigger fatter thicker neck.

    i heard awhile ago that most Ampeg 810s can't handle the low B, but there was a specific ampeg 810 that could, i forgot which one was said.
     
  20. cheezewiz

    cheezewiz

    Mar 27, 2002
    Ohio

    I assure you, an Ampeg 8/10 can handle a low b.