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What would you do? vintage fender/ebay deal-Misleading?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by A-Step-Towards, Feb 4, 2013.

  1. A-Step-Towards

    A-Step-Towards Supporting Member

    Nov 16, 2009
    Los Angeles California
    I have been looking for a Mid 70's J bass for a LONG time and I finally found one on ebay. With older basses I tend o buy in person but this guy assured me all was original except the badass II bridge. We discusses originality through messages and that his friend was the original owner and would try to find the original covers, which besides the badass II was the only missing parts.

    He even stated in the ad the following (yes is caps as well)


    The issues
    Here is what I found upon getting it:

    1.) the pickguard, control plate and pickup height screws are all way over larged flathead screws. Total incorrect, they look like crap and honestly I coudnt see these in details in the pictures.

    2.) the volume pots, both of them are not original. They are stamped M250kA 88. The tone pot is original and stamped 1377607 which dates to early '76.

    3.) The pickup wires have been disconnected and thus the pickups have been removed along with a new ground wire put in, the pickups appear correct but I havent had a close look.

    4.) It has the common first fret inlay crack and repair, this however doesnt happen to every jazz and wasnt disclosed.

    5.) If you look closely there are no holes for the bridge cover, they have been filled and the whole finish on the face looks weird compared to the back.

    6.) The inside cavities of the pickups and control plate are black ,I didnt think they were painted black stock? anyone know? the finish on the face of the bass just looks weird compared to the back.

    My question-Should I be okay with this based on the description of the badass II being the only non original piece? I paid a decent sum for this and expected it as the seller described. I was automatically applaud when I opened it and felt like I totally overpaid as I would not have paid what I did if I knew of its issues.

    Thanks, your opinions are welcome and I know some will feel I should just keep it etc. The fact is either way I paid for a bass that I was lead to believe was correct in all ways besides the bridge and got something different. If I were to sell it I would loose a decent amount I believe.
  2. Kmonk


    Oct 18, 2012
    South Shore, Massachusetts
    Endorsing Artist: Fender, Spector, Ampeg, Curt Mangan Strings, Nordstrand Pickups, Korg Keyboards
    This looks like the same bass that I was going to watch until I noticed the crack that you mentioned and the fact that the finish didn't look right. It was visible in one of the pictures. I would put in a claim and try to return it for a refund. (By the way, I think you meant "Appalled" which means dismayed or horrified, not "applaud" which means to show approval by clapping).
  3. kellyrojo


    Feb 16, 2011
    South Carolina
    hels no! If it has a lot of incorrect things going on with it send it back--just my opinion of course and I have no experience in the vintage market---but come on!
  4. AdamR


    Sep 24, 2007
    Bethel CT
    Endorsing Artist: VF Cables, Dirtbag Clothing
    Still looks like a nice bass. I would fix the issues and call it a lesson learned.
  5. A-Step-Towards

    A-Step-Towards Supporting Member

    Nov 16, 2009
    Los Angeles California

    Yeah the pics sucked , lesson learned dont buy vintage online.
  6. FunkHead

    FunkHead Supporting Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    Phillipsburg, NJ
    submit Ebay & Paypal disputes for Item not as described. ASAP
  7. It seems he flat-out lied to you. You should definitely file a dispute, and can still chalk this up as a lesson learned.
  8. Baird6869

    Baird6869 RIP Gord Downey. A True Canadian Icon. Supporting Member

    Send it back. It was not as described and the seller either mislead you on purpose or is complete moron.

    If you paid less than $1000 and the bass plays/sounds good, I might consider keeping it.
  9. If I were in your shoes, I'd:

    1) Try contacting the seller and seek a refund in the amount you feel you'd stand to lose if you re-sold it. If that fails,

    2) Attempt to return it for a full refund.

    You may get what you're looking for without the flaws for approx the same price you paid for that. I know you said you've been watching for awhile, so you'll have to be patient longer.

    Good luck. I'm sorry this happened to you.
  10. funnyfingers


    Nov 27, 2005
    Agreed. Do not let him get away with this. He basically let you know the only OBVIOUS thing. It isn't as described. Let him know you want a refund however that is done (escrow with eBay?). If he doesn't get back to you quickly start the official dispute process with Paypal/Ebay. Or if you do want it, a refund of X dollars...
  11. R&B

    R&B Both kinds of music: Rhythm AND Blues! Supporting Member

    ^^^ This. Don't mess around with partial refunds. Send it back and get your money back. If the Evil Bay doesn't support you, I'd be shocked.

    This is gross misrepresentation and the seller should be ashamed. :spit:
  12. audioglenn


    Jul 14, 2012
    Get a full refund! Something does look wrong with the finish. Screws that are to big???? NOT ORIGINAL!! Do what ever you have to do to get ALL of your money back. You haven't waited this long to get THIS bass! Believe me...if you're disappointed now, it's only going to get worse over time!

    ROOTSnFIFTHS Low-end Lover since '78!

    Oct 25, 2012
    NJ to Sin City
    ^^^^RIGHT THERE..EXACTLY. ASAP. Please contact Ebay as soon as possible. No excuse for this seller to mislead you. He/she in my opinion is no moron. Just a crook. Turn him in as I am sure you payed good money for what you thought was 99% original.
  14. smcd


    Jun 28, 2009
    Boston, MA
    WHAT!!?? Worst advice ever!!!!!!!!!

    OP - the guy scammed you. Don't ask for a partial refund. Demand your money back. The seller has no choice, ebay will force him to refund your money. And it won't cost you to ship it back. Under ebay's customer satisfaction policy, ebay will send you a shipping label, so you won't have to pay for return shipping. Do not let this guy get away with this. Sellers like that give ebay a bad name.
  15. topo morto

    topo morto

    Mar 22, 2010
    Do you still like the bass? If so, you could make it the seller's decision - he can refund you the difference between what you paid and what it's worth, or you'll need a full refund.

    If I were you I would keep the list of discrepancies you mention only to the things you are absolutely sure of and can back up/prove.That way everything is nice and simple and factual - you didn't get what you paid for, so you need a refund.

    Even if you suspect dishonesty, don't accuse anyone of it. Act as though the seller was selling it in good faith as he believed it to be. If you do that and stick to the facts, there's nowhere for any ill feeling to creep in. In theory :)
  16. smcd


    Jun 28, 2009
    Boston, MA
  17. Bongolation


    Nov 9, 2001
    No Bogus Endorsements
    Not really, but bad enough -- and totally common for TB, unfortunately. :rollno:

    Never accept misrepresented merchandise. Never.
  18. Mojo-Man

    Mojo-Man Supporting Member

    Feb 11, 2003
  19. I guess my biggest concern would be whether the pickups are original. Pots shouldn't make any difference, or screws, if you're buying it to be a player. The front of the bass looks like it might have been exposed to something like water or even some kind of cleaning compound that funked it up. Do you have a better, closer picture of the front of the body?
  20. A-Step-Towards

    A-Step-Towards Supporting Member

    Nov 16, 2009
    Los Angeles California
    As you can see from the auction above this was said to be all original , barely used etc. What I got was funky, there is come copper wiring running from the bridge to the bridge pickup and then grounding in the cavity. So much little crap that really adds up in terms of its value.

    That said I paid $1730 with shipping and I couldnt even get the guy to send me the tracking number. I do like the bass and it plays nicely but honestly I would have paid $1200 for it in this condition.