What would you when your guitarist screws you over and you get this offer?

Discussion in 'Band Management [BG]' started by HaydenCR25, Jul 18, 2013.

  1. HaydenCR25


    Jul 18, 2013
    Around two months ago, the guitarist/singer in my band ended up dating this girl who's older brother is an events/gig promoter. He lands us a slot at a gig for next Thursday (11th July) and all is going smoothly. My guy in the band breaks up with said girl, but we're still playing the gig.

    This happened around a month ago. So the other week, just over a week away from the gig, the guitarist ends up in an argument with the promoter. Some unnecessary things were said by the guy in my band and there was no need at all for the argument. As a result, the promoter had pretty much no choice but to pull my band from the gig. He's terribly sorry to me and the other member of the trio but we completely understand because of said language used and overall impression our frontman made.

    So as you can imagine, me and the bassist are pretty damn angry with him. Speaking to the promoter through Facebook, he said he's saw some videos of us and he really likes myself and the bassist (I play drums and we're a power trio). He also said we can do better than the guitarist/singer we have as (in all fairness) he isn't exactly a great singer. I do agree with him and it's a nice compliment for myself and the bassist for someone who's been playing and setting up gigs for years to say that.

    He also gave me and the bassist two free tickets to come to the gig next week as he felt extremely sorry for us but he would like us to come and see the other bands and talk things over. He also mentioned an "interesting offer" and also wants us to talk to the other guitarist in his band.

    We go to the gig (Thursday 11th July), enjoy watching some great bands, me and the other member go outside for a cigarette and the promoter comes out to speak to us. The offer was to join his band, they're a duo who play acoustic but would like to try me on drums and the bassplayer and turn electric. Lots of original material already wrote, guy can really sing, lead guitarist can sing backup and play well. He's going on holiday this weekend for two weeks so he wants to organize a rehearsal when he's back. Overall looking good and very interested to play with these guys. Do you think the age difference will make a difference? With myself being nearly 18, the bassplayer 15 and the other two guys being around 27.

    Also, I've spoken to the guitarist/singer from my band a couple of times in the last two weeks, nothing was mentioned and I feel it's not worth causing arguments over, especially when I may end up in a better band anyway.

    TL;DR playing in power trio, frontman gets a new girlfriend, girlfriends brother is promoter and lands us a gig, frontman breaks up with girlfriend but all is smooth, week before the gig frontman argues for no reason with promoter and we lose the gig, promoter is impressed by myself and the bassist and wants us to come to the gig for free, has "interesting offer" for us. We go to the gig, he wants to try us out in adding us to his band, he's on holiday for two weeks ATM. What would you do regarding the other guy?
  2. fdeck

    fdeck Supporting Member Commercial User

    Mar 20, 2004
    Madison WI
    HPF Technology LLC
    Let him stew in his own juice.
  3. Drunk Heffalump

    Drunk Heffalump Tone that I have. Skill? Oh, that? Well....

    Feb 28, 2009
    Great White North
    He basically cost you a prime gig by being a Diddlyboob, he will do this again,or something else equally frightful down the road. He's not that great of a catch musically anyway as you've stated. Time to cut bait, but tell him why. Take the better gig and I say piffle to the age thing. Buddy knew who and what you were when he rolled out the red carpet, all you have to do is stroll down it.........

  4. Age should be no problem. Try to behave like adults though, always helps.
    Also, stop smoking ;)
  5. Collect a cancellation fee
  6. Hmm, something smells funny - I may be wrong, but I have a feeling the promoter and his sister just want to burn your gui**** by busting up his band.
  7. Clark Dark

    Clark Dark

    Mar 3, 2005
    + 1000 for you and your bassist
  8. mcarp555

    mcarp555 Guest

    Jul 14, 2013
    With an underage bassist, are you going to have trouble getting him into some venues? It seems odd to me that two guys pushing 30 would consider someone nearly half their age to be in their band.
  9. Hopkins

    Hopkins Supporting Member Commercial User

    Nov 17, 2010
    Houston Tx
    Owner/Builder @Hopkins Guitars
    I think the age difference will be a factor in time. First of all, as a 31 year old, there are not many teenagers I would enjoy hanging out with. Its nothing against teenagers, its just an entirely different mentality. Secondly and most importantly, it seems like there would be a lot of venues out there that simply wouldn't let a 15 year old in the doors, in the band or not.
  10. hdracer


    Feb 15, 2009
    Elk River, MN.
    I fully understand the health risks that come with smoking,
    If they hadn't been outside where it was quieter and away from the crowd the promoter would not have had the chance to talk to them and make the offer that night.

    He didn't ask if it was a wise idea if he should smoke or not.
  11. Biggbass


    Dec 14, 2011
    Planet Earth
    One thing I've learned from many years of playing music and booking gigs is:
    It's all about who you know - despite how good you may be.

    I'd take the offer to join the Promoter guy's band. Sounds like there's more opportunity there just waiting for you. And your guitar player sounds a bit like a hurdle in your path to wherever you may be going.

    Then there's the power trio thing...you have to be great...not good but great in today's music world to achieve any level of success as a power trio. The days of ZZ Top type bands making it are over. Rush takes it to another level completely, not only from a performance angle but a songwriting angle as well...the question is...can you?

    Sounds like a door of opportunity just opened for you.
  12. MatticusMania

    MatticusMania LANA! HE REMEMBERS ME!

    Sep 10, 2008
    Pomona, SoCal
    Thats the only advice I had to give...
  13. derrico1

    derrico1 Supporting Member

    Apr 12, 2005
    Charlottesville, VA
    If you have time to do both, the best thing you can do at this stage is play with as many decent musicians as you can—especially ones who are already part of a network.

    That said, I'd have modest expectation of the new band. It's not unusual for a promoter to also be a musician; but he's in his late 20s, so he should have a network of good players in his contacts. Asking guys whose age makes booking difficult is a red flag. If he's any good at all and easy to work with, he should be able to fill out the new band with 20-somethings.

    Or, as someone suggested, it could be a Scott Pilgrim vs. the World deal, where the promoter guy is Gideon, you two are Sex-Bob-omb, and your current frontman is Scott Pilgrim.
  14. jefkritz


    Oct 20, 2007
    iowa city, IA
    Go for it. Screw the other guitarist - he screwed you and proved to be unreliable. As said before, this will happen again.

    The band being older is no big deal. If they offered, go for it.
  15. Stumbo

    Stumbo Guest

    Feb 11, 2008
    You and the drummer are still minors and should have your parents involved to find out what's really going on. I mean, you can't sign contracts and also need to find out what your state requires for minors to play gigs where alcohol is served.

    They could "try" you have for a few months and then drop you.
    Also, what about when school starts? What's you're availability for gigs?

    You'll be backup players in the group and have to play exactly what you're told. Is that something you want to do? They may be thinking that you'll be cool with whatever happens and not speak up.

    Because of your inexperience, I suggest you take at least one of your parents with you, should you decide to rehearse with them. Let them ask questions and check these guys out. It's easy enough to check them out on the Interwebz. Also find out about future plans/gigs/money/contracts, etc.

    Then you can decide with your parents what's the best thing to do.

    +1 Oh...yeah, the guy may be just dicking with you to break up your band. Seen it before and will see it again.
  16. bluewine

    bluewine Inactive

    Sep 4, 2008
    At the end of the day, you guys are young, 15 and 18. Screw ups are going to happen to you in bands when your young more than when your older IMO.

    Give it a shot, doesn't sound like you have anything to lose.

  17. HaydenCR25


    Jul 18, 2013
    Just for clarification, I'm the drummer and the bassplayer is my colleague. Although I do play bass too ;) but drums in this instance. I'm actually heading towards quitting smoking, from 12-15 a day to 3-5 a day in two months or so. And the bassplayer doesn't smoke that often at all and I'll be sure to remind him not to wind up an addict. Also, even in the event that the promoter is only trying to screw over my frontman, I don't have much interest in being in that band anyway. So I think it's worth a shot and if that doesn't work out, I've lost two bands but gave it a go.
  18. MatticusMania

    MatticusMania LANA! HE REMEMBERS ME!

    Sep 10, 2008
    Pomona, SoCal
    This says enough right here. Go for it. It may or may not work out.
    Youre young, you'll be in at least a handful of bands before you find one where things click.
  19. Tituscrow

    Tituscrow Inactive

    Feb 14, 2011
    NW England
    You were right. BM is outgunning OT at the moment.... :)
  20. MatticusMania

    MatticusMania LANA! HE REMEMBERS ME!

    Sep 10, 2008
    Pomona, SoCal
    Its getting all dried up in there!

    Since Im in the process of putting together a new band, Ive been peeping on other peoples' issues.