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Discussion in 'Technique [BG]' started by 311 fan, Oct 3, 2000.
I heard of it before. Like, what is it.
Hard to describe, but in simple terms it goes like this: Slap regularly, then pop with the nail side of your thumb on the way up.. you will have to slide the thumb under the string.. hard to explain this. Les Claypool uses it a lot i think.
Hi, I like this technic very much for the solo bass. I learn this techniq a few months ago. I guess the best player who play this technic is Victor Wooten
i dunno about double thumb slap, but how slap with your fretting hand? pnut does it on his fast slap lines.
well, I'll explain it for you (hopefully well!) seeing as I learned from vic himself. Victor Wooten is the main man who uses this technique. To hear it showcased check out his album "A show of hands."
The concept is basically using your thumb as guitarists use a pick. When you bounce off a string, you get one tone. You've lost a movement. If you go through the string, more with the outer top edge of your thumbnail, stop on the A string (if you are thumping the E, obviously) and come back up the E with an upstroke, getting two tones. try alternating between strings, and start SLOW! It's like learning to play bass again because you can readjust the sound and speed of everything you do. But let's just say this.....those 84th notes won't be so hard once you get the down, up, pop motion. And then you can even add in a flam (down thumb, up thumb, pop index, pop middle). Yeah baby! It's real fun stuff. Email me if you have a further interest.
yea you can basically practive it in triplets example. hit with the go under the string and then pop. practive it on different strings and practive it slow then you'll get it.
of course there are. Man, everybody misinterprets what I say....Vic has brought it to the highest level that most of us have seen, but yes that doesn't mean that other people don't use it. Arne Livingston of Living Daylights uses it superbly, Les uses it, and plenty of others. Take it easy...I was just making an example..
been practicing this since i saw the bass day video with wooten, and i love it, i can finaly slap with some precision
i just wish a calass would form i am getting sick of the blisters
Callus, you both mean.
Or when you develop calluses, you reach a state of being callused, or have callous skin on the thumb.
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thanks embellisher i typed that word 3 times and that is as close as i could get
No problem, sepulchralyoungcanine.
And verylargebovinespecies, all it takes is a few seconds to look up a word if you want to provide the CORRECT spelling.
My vote goes to VicMan119's & basslax' comments.
The question was "What's a Double THUMB SLAP"?
The double thumb, as VicMan explained, is obvious; the SLAP component, IMO, is what the fretting hand does. Usimg BOTH hands allows for some cool cross rhythm possiblities(like a drummer/percussionist) + some added speed(if that's your bag).
Alain Caron is one of the cleanest double-thumb/slappers out there...
but wouldn't slapping with the fretting hand be considered a hammer-on?? I'll probably sound really stupid asking this, but I've seen it twice now. What's the difference if there is any?
Song: Laqure Head
If thats not double tumbing, i dont know what is. Also, listen to the part right after the heavy part, I wanna know if anyone can honestly do that super super super fast slaping stuff sound. BE HONEST.
Actually, I think Les 'cheats' to get that insanely fast slapping, and uses the same technique on other songs like 'My Name is Mud.' The easiest way I find to duplicate that sound is to mute all the strings with either my arm or the palm of my hand, then slap as usual with the right hand while thwacking the strings with my left hand. Do this to the right rhythm and it sounds just like the aforementioned songs by Claypool.
Of course, for all I know that guy just got one monster of a fast thumb. . .
It ain't no hammer-on.
Example of a hammer-on-
...pluck the "F" note(3rd fret/"D" string)& use your pinky to hammer on the "G" note(5th fret/"D" string). You are actually sounding BOTH notes & on ONE string(in this example).
LEFT hand Slap(or fretting hand slap)-
...pluck an open "E" & then using all 4 fingers(held together)SLAP the strings into the neck. You should get a THUMP & no discernable tone(like harmonics ringin' out).
This allows a bassist to utilize BOTH hands & leads to some interesting polyrhtyhmic possibilities. That is, like a drummer uses BOTH hands to achieve a cross rhythm.
A basic "pattern" to get ya started-
/22.214.171.124./=all 1/4 notes
On beat 1-Thumb an open "E"
On beat 2-Slap strings with fretting hand
On beat 3-Thumb an open "E"
On beat 4-Pop an open "G"
Eventually, you'll wanna mix it up...
ah, I see now, thank you
I've seen a Stu Hamm video, that explain it. Looks easy but I can't get a "slap sound" with the left hand.
Y'all might not know this...but I'm fixing to drop a bombshell on you right here and right now! Victor Wooten didn't invent double thumbing. TYRONE BRUNSON gets credit for this tecnique! It's a travesty! James Jamerson gets credit for fingerstyle revolution, Larry Graham for slap revolution, Jaco for harmonics revolution, and TYRONE gets hosed! Youtube "Fresh" by TY stick 1984 and see what I'm talking about. Much love, TB!
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