Which Fender Jazz Fretless is this?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Stagelab, Jun 7, 2020.

  1. Stagelab


    Dec 26, 2015
    Brooklyn, NY
    This is a MIJ and I think it’s from the mid 80s. Any ideas on specifics? Is it a reissue? I know there are some 62 reissues from Japan.

    trying to figure out market value. Might buy it.

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  2. Thegrandwazoo

    Thegrandwazoo Supporting Member

    Sep 8, 2013
    West Virginia
    I can't tell much from those pictures other than it's a Jazz Bass and it's among the very desirable 1984-87 Fuji-gen plant Japanese Fenders.
  3. MMiller28

    MMiller28 Supporting Member

    Apr 27, 2003
    Depending on condition, I’d say up to $800 if it’s in great shape
  4. Stagelab


    Dec 26, 2015
    Brooklyn, NY
    Thanks. It has a badass II on it. I’ve read they’re not worth the money. Bass is 8.5 lbs but could be lighter with another bridge. Wondering about buying the bass and then selling the bridge and getting a different one but that would mean paying for the bridge swap and a setup. Hmmm... it has Bartolini pickups.
  5. Dr. Cheese

    Dr. Cheese Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Metro St. Louis
    Who told you the Badass II was not worth the money? They really created the mold for modern high mass bridges. I know the bridge on my American Fender Geddy Lee is patterned after a Badass. I had my eyes on a few Fretless Fender Japan basses. Odds are this is at worst, a good bass, and it may be great.
  6. Stagelab


    Dec 26, 2015
    Brooklyn, NY
    I’ve been told by some that they add sustain and others said they can’t tell the difference. What’s your take?

    I definitely don’t love the extra weight or the look of the badass bridges. And this guy wants to charge $100 more bc of the bridge which is fair but if it were me I’d take that $100 and buy an octave pedal or something.
  7. Dr. Cheese

    Dr. Cheese Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Metro St. Louis
    The Badass bridge has been around in one form or another nearly fifty years, I suspect they are at least pretty good.
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  8. Stagelab


    Dec 26, 2015
    Brooklyn, NY
    I have no doubt they’re good. I just don’t think I’d want to spend an extra $100+ for one and the seller wants more cause of the bridge. That said, the bass is priced fairly. I wish I could play it first. Reselling fretless basses is always a little tough even on TB. Took me about a year to find a buyer for my last one.
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  9. Dr. Cheese

    Dr. Cheese Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Metro St. Louis
    That is why I laugh when people tell me how easy it would be to sell my Pedulla.:D
  10. shojii


    Sep 7, 2011
    David, I posted this elsewhere, but check out these sound samples comparing hi-mass vs standard bridges. The accompanying soundwave images are virtually identical. I'd spend the $100 on something else. YMMV (&good luck)

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  11. Stagelab


    Dec 26, 2015
    Brooklyn, NY
    that’s really interesting to hear and see. Yeah I can’t tell here either and to me too, the most sustain I think I’d ever be looking for is if a note can ring fully for two bars at 70bpm. That’s probably the top end requirement.
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  12. Jim Carr

    Jim Carr Dr. Jim

    Jan 21, 2006
    Denton, TX or Kailua, HI
    fEARful Kool-Aid dispensing liberal academic card-carrying union member Musicians Local 72-147
    IME, the Badass II made no difference in sustain on my MIM 60's classic Jazz, and as far as tone is concerned, the vintage-style bridge was fine. I eventually added Fralin split coil pickups, which actually sounded darn good. The guy who bought the bass for $550 was pretty stoked by the tone and set up.

    Moral of story: if you like a BAII bridge, and install it (groove the witness points) properly, it works fine. IME, no change in sustain, and I could never decide if the tone was the same or not. Any difference was subtle. The Fralin split coils were a noticeable change. YMMV.
  13. Badass ii bridges are excellent in every way. Nothing "not worth the money" with them, unless you were mistakenly led to believe by salesmen at stores in the mid 80s that they would transform your bass into something magical. They don't, unless your current bridge is crap. But I do prefer them to standard older style fender bridges by quite a large margin.
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  14. As I mentioned in another thread not long ago, you will absolutely notice an improvement going to a high mass bridge unless any of the following are true:
    - your current bridge is so bad as to not stop the strings properly at the saddle (there are some cheapo bridges who's feet don't even touch the baseplate properly due to crazy design issues).
    - in theory, if your current bass body is so crappy as to make your tone terrible.... then putting on a high mass bridge will more effectively stop the string without the interaction of the body affecting it as much. A less likely scenario, but possible.
    - if your current bass bridge doesn't keep the saddles locked in place as well as your new bridge, and your playing style can move the saddles around (I experience this sometimes when playing near the bridge on some simpler bridge designs on basses with light strings).. a high mass bridge often is accompanied by a more sturdy design where the saddles don't have as much free movement... which is an improvement for me.

    If your current bridge works perfectly well, and your bass isn't a total piece of junk, then you probably won't notice or measure any difference at all.
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  15. gelinas666

    gelinas666 Guest

    Sep 8, 2009
    I'd remove the Original Fender "Bent" bridge .. There are plenty of better bridges with way more setup options. If you want a "Classic" setup than keep it.
  16. I have tried to interchange newish Fender bent plate, Badass II and some other (Shaller?) on a P. To me, Badass wins, because the feel of plucked strings is more solid/precise with Badass. (I like the Fender bent plate for slap better, but you won't slap on a fretless). I learned to believe that the feel, the overall mechanics of bassguitar has a big impact on the sound, because it affects your choice of notes/rhythms.

    If I'm not mistaken, Leo Quan company doesn't exist anymore, the bridge is famous and will probably gain in price in coming years.

    I don't remember I'd be surprised by the weight difference.

    And I remember my Fender vintage bridge screws were made from very crappy (brittle) metal (in comparison to the 70s original on my jazzbass).

    To sum it up, I'd be happy for the opportunity to buy a Badass bridge. You can always change it, you will probably sell the Badass II nicely.
  17. vvvmmm


    Dec 6, 2016
    Plus, and all y'all keep missing saying this, but ya can tell people, "Hey, it's a Badass bridge" and they'll be, like, all impressed and poopie.
  18. Jeff Hughes

    Jeff Hughes

    May 3, 2020
    I had one of these except the Made in Japan was on the headstock. It was a very quiet bass. I don’t know if the pickups were not very hot or it needed active electronics.
  19. hieronymous


    Nov 28, 2002
    SF Bay Area
    Haven't Badass II bridges become more valuable since they stopped making them? Might be worth checking in to the market, you may make some money on it!
  20. bobyoung53

    bobyoung53 Supporting Member

    Just my opinion but I had a Fender high mass bridge on my Fender Vintage hot rod which I took off and put a good 'ol bent plate on, plays and sounds the same.