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Which Jazz style basses get that 70's era tone?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by cgworkman, Oct 21, 2004.

  1. cgworkman


    May 14, 2004
    Which Jazz style basses get that 70's era tone? i.e. That agressive 1977-79 Marcus Miller sound?

    Will either the Darryl Jones or Joe Osborn Lakland's do it? Also, any other "ones" I should check out?

  2. Franz Jr.

    Franz Jr. Supporting Member

    Sep 17, 2002
    Raleigh, NC
    I have Lakland daryl Jones, and it is as close the that sound as I have found. I have a 77 jazz and this bass kicks booty. Give it it a try
  3. cgworkman


    May 14, 2004
    Anyone have a take on the Lakland Joe Osborn?
  4. cgworkman


    May 14, 2004
    I guess I whould have specified that I'm looking for a 5 string :help:
  5. JO comes with stock Lindy Fralin pups. Which give a great 60's sounding vibe.

    Might not be what your looking for in terms of 70's tone tho.
  6. For a Miller-y sound, I would I've said, Fender M² sig...

  7. Anti_Wish


    May 14, 2004
    Boston, Ma
    ya the marcus miller fender sig is awesome. never played the 5 but the 4 is killer! id say - 1 for the ginormous pickguard though...
  8. Nick man

    Nick man

    Apr 7, 2002
    Tampa Bay
    My suggestion is to check out SMASH's pickup review, pick the pickups that fit the bill, and then give let Nino Brown know that you want those in a 5 string bass.

    Since you are looking for that Miller vibe I say you go with ash and maple all the way.
  9. etherbass


    May 24, 2004
    i have an american 75' re isuue jazz bass... maple fretboard, and ash body. steel roundwounds. pickups and tone to full. roll off a little of your amps midrange and you have the marcus sound ( or pretty close to it)
  10. Aaron Saunders

    Aaron Saunders

    Apr 27, 2002
    Big +1

    Pick up some DR Fatbeams -- they're Marcus's sig strings. They're based off of the hi-beams with a little less top end sizzle for a little more warmth and fatness.
  11. Tritone

    Tritone Supporting Member

    Jan 24, 2002
    Santee, America
    Marcus Miller's aggresive sound comes from 2 things:

    #1- Marcus Miller's aggresive style
    #2- Single coil pick-ups in a jazz configuration, with an onboard preamp. His main bass (a 78 I believe, tweaked by Roger Sadowsky) has stock Fender Jazz PUP's, with either a Sadowsky preamp or a Bartolini preamp.

    Believe me, he would sound the same with any bass using that combination of PUP and Pre.

    But I wouldn't consider Marcus Miller's sound "70's" at all....

  12. Little G

    Little G

    Feb 27, 2003
    I have a 75 reissue 4 string which has a very close sound. I also have the Marcus 5 string sig jazz.

    This is an amazing instrument, and if you have the dosh go for that. The sound from this beast is awesome.
  13. Nino Valenti

    Nino Valenti Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 2, 2001
    Staten Island NYC
    Builder: Valenti Basses
    <img src="http://www.sadowsky.com/stock/images/m138_full.jpg">
    <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/Nino-Brown/4th_of_July_2004_023.jpg">
  14. cgworkman


    May 14, 2004
    So what's your thoughts on that beast? Is the quality consistant with other MIA Dlx? How's the "B"?
  15. steve_man

    steve_man Supporting Member

    May 15, 2002
    While Marcus' pickups play a *big* role in his tone, I've found that it's only part of the combination. But everyone is open to their opinion.
    IMHO his finished maple fret board and his leo quan badass bridge were just as important to his aggressive sound. I really can't hear a marcus j bass sounding the same without a badass bridge.

    JO is not a Marcus style bass. One of the main differences in a 60's and 70's jazz bass is in the pickup positioning. The bridge j-pickup is a little closer to the bridge on 70's j's giving you more of a nasally tone. The Joe Osborn is based on a 60's style jazz. The Osborn will give you a much warmer, rounder, bloomier tone.

    Marcus' fender has a bartolini preamp in it. And if he's still using that black Sadowsky from M2 then I'm pretty sure he's got a bart TCP preamp in it. Marcus normally went with either stock pickups (on his fender and sadowsky j's) or barts.

    I find that 4's don't play like 5's. So I'd try out a few 4 string j basses. But if you know you want a 5 string I'd check out sadowsky metro or other japanese model ... if you can afford it. I have never played one but they seem like a definite candidate.
  16. 4Mal

    4Mal Supporting Member

    Jun 2, 2002
    Columbia River Gorge
    Have you done A/B comparisons between a Badass and regular bridges? Most who have find zero difference. The rest are hearing what they want to hear, and even then they don't claim there's a big difference, much less one you could hear on recordings in a mix.

    Yep. and the diffence is large to my ear. Much more aggressive sounding. on tape, well disk really or through the monitors. I suspect the difference is more due to the shape of the bridge pieces rather than the mass of the bridge but that is only theory. The difference is there though.

    I was able to compare two J basses while I was building the b/a equipped one up. Duncan SJB1's in both. USACG Swamp ash bodies and Fender rw necks. At the time I was using D'Addario XL's on the standard bridge one. I tried Roto's on the b/a at first - way too over the top zingy / boingy and aggro. I swapped the strings around and the XL's were still brighter than the Roto's on the std bridge! I've since ended up using a half round on the b/a.

    Today that bass has a MIA Deluxe pre - tomorrow (or Sunday) it get's a U-Retro Deluxe!
  17. j-raj

    j-raj Bassist: Educator/Soloist/Performer Supporting Member

    Jan 14, 2003
    Indianapolis, IN

    What bridges do you use on your basses? How about Roger's basses, what bridges are used on them?
  18. hands5


    Jan 15, 2003
    good 'ol USA/Tampa fla.
    Any 70's Fender Jazz with a maple fret board is going to get the quote on quote" Marcus sound with or without a preamp no matter who makes it.That's just the way these basses sound.
  19. cgworkman


    May 14, 2004
    I only used Marcus as an example because his tone is almost automatically recognized.

    Basically, I'm looking for a vintage style fiver with that 70's vibe. I'm considering the new Lakland Darryl Jones 5, but I'm not to crazy about the colors....
  20. hands5


    Jan 15, 2003
    good 'ol USA/Tampa fla.
    Then you may would like to try his signature 5 string because from what I've seen/heard it is real damn close.But as 1 TB'er said in the a previous thread when you bring up the price of the MM 5 you're almost into Sadowsky Metro territory,nonetheless though it's still a Smoking axe that is American made for whatever that's worth.!