Which La Bella go with Rickenbacker 4003?

Discussion in 'Strings [BG]' started by digbyben, Dec 24, 2014.

  1. digbyben

    digbyben

    Oct 4, 2010
    south Indiana
    Question for anyone who uses Le Bella on their Rickenbacker bass!!

    I've been searching online for the best flatwounds to put on my 4003 Rickenbacker bass, and after reading through several different opinions I really want to try the La Bella Deep Talkin Bass strings.

    Problem is -- while I found lots of support for the La Bella flats, nobody ever specifically said what KIND of La Bella strings to get! I typed Deep Talkin Bass into the "Just Strings" site, and I got a page full of different variations. I was overwhelmed .... You see, I'm a complete moron when it comes to specifics, gauges and scale lengths, etc. I admit that!

    So my two biggest questions are 1) what gauge and 2) what scale?

    After searching through forums again, I found one passing reference to the "760FL Deep Talkin Bass."
    I went to the La Bella site, and the gauges are .043, .060, .082, .104

    Can anyone confirm that this is THE set for the 4003 Rick bass?
    (And will this fit into the nut? I really don't want to get into a situation where I have to get out a file!!)

    As for the next question, the La Bella site mentioned that these strings come standard at long scale, 37" from the ball end to the silk. I though that Ric basses were 33-34 inches, is that right? So would I need to get a different scale than the standard?

    The La Bella Deep Talkin page at the bottom notes that there are three other variations to the 760FL, a short, medium and extra-long scale. Short is 32" ball to silk, medium is 34" ball to silk, and Extra Long is 38".

    So, can anyone with experience tell me if I need to get the medium set (760FL-M) 34" version for the 4003 Rickenbacker bass, or will the regular standard 760FL work?

    Sorry to ask so many (probably) stupid questions! I just never was the best at the technical stuff, but I want to learn!

    Thank you guys!
     
  2. woodyng

    woodyng

    Dec 19, 2007
    Oregon coast
    With Rick basses in general,i tend to think a lighter gauge of flatwounds works best. I don't know what Labella's specific gauges are for their flats,but if they have a 40-100 set,or something close,that should work really well.
    If i were looking for flatwounds to put on one of my Ricks,i would probably try the Optima set.
     
  3. iiipopes

    iiipopes Supporting Member

    May 4, 2009
    The 760 FL regular long scale should work fine. You will need to adjust your truss rods.

    If you want really light tension, La Bella does make a low tension set and an extra-light tension set, and Thomastik-Infeld makes a nickel flatwound set that is really popular, but really expensive.
     
  4. Right_Butterscotch64

    Right_Butterscotch64

    Oct 18, 2012
    You will most likely need to file the nut with those gauges. I had a similar gauge of strings put on a stock Ric and filing was required to get them to work.
     
  5. digbyben

    digbyben

    Oct 4, 2010
    south Indiana
    Hmmm .... in all of my searching you're the first I've run into who suggests Optima. What gauge would you suggest?
     
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  6. digbyben

    digbyben

    Oct 4, 2010
    south Indiana
    Thanks for verifying the 760 and the long scale ... it does seem odd that the 37 inch long scale does work on the 33-34 inch scale 4003 neck! I thought for sure I"d need to get the La Bell medium 34" set.

    And the other name that kept popping up when I was searching was in deed the TI strings. But I've had so many issues in the past with string rattle that I'm reluctant to go for light tension strings!
    thanks!
     
  7. digbyben

    digbyben

    Oct 4, 2010
    south Indiana
    Well ... crap! I really didn't want to file the nut if I could help up. I suppose my fear is that I get thiese strings, file the nut, then realize I don't like the strings after all. Then I"d be stuck with them, or pay somebody to put on a new nut.
     
  8. woodyng

    woodyng

    Dec 19, 2007
    Oregon coast
    Well,the Optima flatwounds are a relatively new string (been on the market for maybe a couple years),so they are still not widely known. Over on the RickResource forum,several bass players have mentioned using them,and commented favorably,comparing them to the old Rickenbacker /Maxima flatwound set which are the best flatwounds i've found.(but are pretty much almost extinct now). The Optimas are only available in one gauge set,(.045/.060/.080/100).
    I've played Rick basses with Pyramid and Thomastic flatwound sets,the feel and sound are very similar,but the Optima set is what i consider,well Optimal for a Rick bass neck. The other 2 companies also only offer their flatwound set in one gauge,the Pyramids are too heavy with a very high tension,while the TI's are very light,and can be like playing "spaghetti".
    I am intrigued by Labella's newer low tension flatwound set,have not tried them,but i like most Labella strings sets that i've used.
     
  9. digbyben

    digbyben

    Oct 4, 2010
    south Indiana
    Thank you -- thank you -- thank you for all the great info! And for the history on Optima ... I'm starting to wonder if I should look into those instead? The idea of filing down the nut is really scaring me! :)

    Even thought the Optimas are new, I wonder if they will improve with age? I really was intrigued by the reports on other forums that the La Bella's tend to sound better and better over time, lasting for years.

    And just curious, was your Rick bass a 4001 or a 4003, the one you had Pyramids and TI's on?
     
  10. Coolhandjjl

    Coolhandjjl

    Oct 13, 2010
    Appleton
    I had a set of Deep Talkin' Bass 760FS. Those are 45-65-85-105. Long scale fits perfect, no nut filing, etc.
    Right now, my poor man's RM1999 is strung with TI Flats. Those seemed to talk to the toaster and horseshoe with more expression than the LaBellas.
    Worst flats I ever tried on it were the Fender 9050CLs.
    I tried the Pyramids, they were very low output, I think they are all nickle or something like that. pretty pricey, so I sold 'em.
    Haven't tried the new Optimas yet.
     
  11. woodyng

    woodyng

    Dec 19, 2007
    Oregon coast
    I 've used all 3 sets (plus a set of GHS flats) on my '74 4000,which is a set neck,so it is a bit different to "normal" neck through Rick basses. I've also played various 4001/3/v63/c64 basses set up with these strings at Rickenbacker confluences.
    Elderly Music used to sell the Optima set for $36. As for longevity,i find i can use most flatwound sets for years,without any degradation in sound quality. (I get long life out of most string sets,though). People say that strings tend to "break-in" and sound different after a few weeks,but i've never really noticed that happening in my experience.
    Good luck in your quest!
     
  12. digbyben

    digbyben

    Oct 4, 2010
    south Indiana
    Now that is interesting ... you used the 760FS, and the only other mention I ever found was the 760FL (with the .043, .060, .082, .104 gauges). I guess the only difference are the string gauges?

    So I'm glad you cleared that up ... 760FS ... it's exactly what was I looking for, advice from someone with practical experience on exactly which set to get!! And I'm really relieved to hear you didn't have to file down the nut, and that the long scale fits perfect. Again, I'm surprised the medium scale doesn't fit Rickenbackers better. Did you have them on a 4001, or a 4003? I guess it should make any difference, nut-wise.

    So you're playing TI's on your 4001? Do you think the low tension is weird? I read a lot of posts from people complaining that it was like playing rubber bands!

    And you're the first guy I've read complaining about the Fenders!

    Anyway, THANK YOU for telling me specific gauge numbers and which scale you used!!
     
  13. digbyben

    digbyben

    Oct 4, 2010
    south Indiana
    That's interesting, I used to use GHS bright flats (long scale, light gauge) on an old P-bass ... in pre-internet days they were the only flats I could find from local dealers. I thought they sounded pretty dead, but I liked the feel. I know GHS has a newer line called Precision Flatwound, have you tried those?

    Thanks again for all the great advice! Going off of Coolhandjjl's comments I think I know which La Bella set to get, but you have REALLY got me interested in the Optima strings! I like the tie-in to the Maxima strings you mentioned, and the fact they only come in one gauge (no guess work ... if other Ric players have liked them then it's easy to know what to get!)

    Actually, at this point, I think I just might order both the La Bella AND the Optima sets and see what they are like on the bass.

    thanks!
     
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  14. Coolhandjjl

    Coolhandjjl

    Oct 13, 2010
    Appleton
    My poor man's RM1999 is a 1993 4003S with a new toaster and a RIHS pups. Never had a problem with the low tension of TI's, and I have low action as well. The reports of TI's being weird are overblown. They do have a funny spaghetti -like feel right out of the box, but that goes away after a couple days.

    Regarding the Fenders, not really a complaint, rather I was simply unimpressed with them on my basses.
     
  15. digbyben

    digbyben

    Oct 4, 2010
    south Indiana
    Maybe I disregarded the TI's too quickly? I've always had trouble with string rattle, so I just assumed I'd have similar issues if the TI's were as low tension as everyone tends to report. Hmmm...

    thanks again for the advice!
     
  16. woodyng

    woodyng

    Dec 19, 2007
    Oregon coast
    Actually the Precision flats were the ones i used,not the brite flats set.
     
  17. woodyng

    woodyng

    Dec 19, 2007
    Oregon coast
    The basses i played that were set up with TI 's did not rattle,and actually Sounded really good,but the strings were just too light feeling for my taste,and i feel like i have a fairly light touch. I just need a tad more oomph,and wasn't feeling it from the TI's. Your results may varie,as they say.....
     
  18. Coolhandjjl

    Coolhandjjl

    Oct 13, 2010
    Appleton
    TI Flats need a good break angle, if action is too low, they may buzz. But 'low action' is sort of vague. If you have a bass with slots cut a hair too low, or bridge too low, you may have issues. Sometime you have to "set" the witness points at the nut and saddle if you are having problems.
     
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  19. digbyben

    digbyben

    Oct 4, 2010
    south Indiana
    Yeah, I think I got tired of almost playing with kid gloves, you know? It's probably my technique (or lack of!), but if I didn't pluck the string just right I'd get rattle like crazy. Drove me nuts. I think that scared me from the TI's more than anything. I wish I knew for sure!
     
  20. Coolhandjjl

    Coolhandjjl

    Oct 13, 2010
    Appleton

    That needs to be addressed. Perhaps we can help?