As I said in my hello thread, we want to add a clean octaver to the M13. I would love to hear from you guys on which ones you use and why you like them or why you use them.
I don't have a lot of exposure to many octavers, but I do have a Boss OC-3 that I like a lot, most of all for the drive setting. Why do I like it? Because I tend toward synthy sound with my effects, and the OC-3 octave with some of the drive is a great basis to creating synthy sounds together with other pedals (envelope filters, etc.).
My favorites are the Dan Armstrong Green Ringer, except it needs improved passage of the low frequencies; and the DOD Meatbox and Boss OC-2, except they need better tracking on the low end. If you could use Pino Palladino's octaved tone in the late 80's and early 90's as a benchmark, and improve the tracking on the lows, many of us would be grateful.
My favorite is the OC-3 in Poly mode played through the guitar input. Perfect, IMHO. The OC-2 is a close second place. I had both of the MXR bass octaves and I thought they tracked terribly.
I remember the first time I heard and Orange Squeezer so I am down with Dan. Of course the OC-2 is tried and true. Could you talk about what the Meat Box does that the OC-2 doesn't, or are they similar? Love, love, love, listening to that Pino track. Always been one of my favorite bass lines ever. You had me on YouTube checking it out again.
In Poly mode it tracks better because if you get some overtones or pull a slight double stop it doesn't glitch. If you play cleanly, the OC-2 works just fine.
The Meatbox does both one octave down and two octaves down, simultaneously, and it has this really massive synthetic sound that is "ugly" in all the right ways. It's very far from the Pino tone, but it has adherents among those who like scary bass tones.
I'm using a Micro Pog. Thinking about getting an OC-2 for that fat octave sound, but I dig the twanginess of the Micro Pog.
What I am thinking right now is pulling all the best of all the worlds together. 1. The pitch tracking that we have in M13 which was already incredible and has just been improved for a new effect we are working on so it is approaching Nirvana. Ok, overstating it a bit, but the tracking is even better than my EBS which is my favorite tracking octaver. 2. I like the way the EBS gets its octave more than the OC-2 myself, it gives it little more 1st order harmonics. 3. I like the octave and 2 octaves down on the OC and apparently the Meatbox does. 4. Maybe give it some ring modulator properties to create some interesting tones. What do you guys think of this as an idea? Me personally, I have used the EBS for the last 15 years. My fav.
I'd probably never use the OCT2. I'd prefer something like the MXR-288 that has two different octaves that you can blend. Except the tracking is crappy on the MXR. Not really sure what a ring modulator would sound like on an octave, so I have no meaningful comment on that. The key, for me, is a solid, clean, well-tracking octave down.
An octaver is a ring modulator of sorts. So since we have the ability, just thinking it could be cool to get 2 for 1. But maybe that would be confusing.
Not if it's easy to keep it out if you didn't want it. I think people would find a use for it somewhere along the line. Ever see that Nocto Loco pedal? Does like 3 octaves down and does trippy ring mod/distortion stuff to the signal. Not for the faint of heart but there would be some who might appreciate it.
I think a straight oc2 emulation is crucial, and then maybe a subharmonic box like the dbx120xp and then a freaky original design. John
That would be cool. What is the dbx120xp? Is that the previous model of the dbx120a? Oh, and to answer Rich's question: I use the EHX POG. The POG series from EHX definately deserve to be modelled in Line 6 products.
I haven't had mine for quite that long, but I love the sound of the Octabass. If that is the first order harmonics, cool. It tracks really well also.