Why do metal guys hate Pantera?

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous [BG]' started by Matt Till, Jul 5, 2003.

  1. Matt Till

    Matt Till

    Jun 1, 2002
    Edinboro, PA
    I've noticed a lot of metal guys hate Pantera. I personally love them, they are heavy yet they have a certain groove to their style. The only thing I can think of is they started out a failed hair metal band, but they've seen the light... I hope. Sure they're kinda posers. But look at really old shots of Slayer, they wore makeup, played their guitars with crosses, etc. Sounds poserish to me. Plus, look at them now, I mean, Kerry King thinks Slipknot is one of the greatest bands going right now, and did a song with SUM 41!!! How metal is even being seen not kicking Sum 41's ass? I love Slayer though, Reign in Blood is probably one of the greatest thrash albums of all time, some of the later stuff is OK, but Tom Araya lost his voice quite a bit.

    Anyhoo, why is Slayer held in such high regard to metal heads, but Pantera's awful? Watsamatta? Afraid of a little grrrrrrrrrooooooveeeee in your metal?
  2. pantera isn't really fast all the time; they groove, as you said. a lot of metal folks think speed is everything.
  3. JMX

    JMX Vorsprung durch Technik

    Sep 4, 2000
    Cologne, Germany
    Hm, they're not really hated, at least not in my neck of the woods.

    They may get some flak because they got so popular that they were getting closer to the mainstream, the Metallica-effect if you like.

    There also was some stagnation, but they silenced most complaints with the Reinventing The Steel album.

    But I admit I haven't followed their career closely lately.
    Most new and exciting stuff seems to come from Scandinavia nowadays it seems.
  4. Razor


    Sep 22, 2002
    Bro, any metal/rock player that doesn't admit Pantera's impact on the music scene hasn't been around the scene enough IMHO. I don't mean you have to like them, but their impact is everywhere from what I see. Of course, I am in their backyard and have met Dimebag/Vinny a couple of times. Totally cool guys and true "plug in and play" musicians. Pantera gave metal a kick in the a** when it really needed it and the new project, New Found Power is going to be awesome when it starts. In this day of every g**tarist detuning and playings chords with one finger it makes me grin ear to ear when I remember Dimebag saying one time, something to the effect that those people can shove off, playing is about being all over the board, high and low and no cheating!:D
    Drummer in my band went to OzzFest last week, when Disturbed was playing he said he looked up and Dimebag/Vinny took over their respective instruments and they played Walk. Very cool. Just about every rock/metal band that comes to Dallas gives praise/respect to Pantera and most of the time Vinny and/or Dimebag are usually at the show and come onstage to say hello.
    Long story short, I respect Pantera in a lot of ways and around here, and with bands that come here, I think the respect is there.
  5. Matt Till

    Matt Till

    Jun 1, 2002
    Edinboro, PA

    Like me!! I'm like 80% Scandinavian baby! Sweed metal does rule though.
  6. If the style is in your soul and the music has meaning for you, forget how it appears to others.

    Do it and do it as well as you can.

    Personally, I think they are juvenile, but they are a viable band doing what they do very well and in a few years, ol' Rex could break out with something amazing because he has talent.
  7. pantera is no more. rex is in Down, with the singer phil anselmo, though. i like what i've heard from them (although it's not pantera-riffic.)
  8. Brendan


    Jun 18, 2000
    Portland, OR

    Actually, Slayer isn't held in that great regard either.
  9. JMX hit it perfectly.

  10. Matt Till

    Matt Till

    Jun 1, 2002
    Edinboro, PA

    Really? I've never heard anyone speak fouly of (old) Slayer.

    Edit: Any metal fan. ;)
  11. Brendan


    Jun 18, 2000
    Portland, OR
    Old Slayer is foul.
  12. Tim Cole

    Tim Cole

    Jun 12, 2002
    Findlay, Ohio
    I disagree, I have always loved Cowboys, vulagar, and driven albums....but the rest from them sucked to me. I've also never heard a single slayer song that did a thing for me. No hook, no groove, no melody....no thanks.
  13. pantera came out later then Slayer, Slayer is based in LA and has a huge following with the mexicans and local area because their from the hood man. old slayer is the best speed metal around. thats why they get respect. pantera on the other hand are preceived as a bunch of rednecks who play poor heavy metal with a groove, groove is not that appreciated in metal, because metal is an expression of anger not dance beats.
  14. *ToNeS*


    Jan 12, 2001
    Sydney AU
    Pantera are ridiculously huge worldwide, from what I've seen. I have no idea why, though. It might be those bloody hilarious tour videos they unleash upon the salivating public every now and again - the one with Dimebag squeezing that unfathomably monstruous boil on their roadie's arse? Classic. Family values +.
  15. I like pantera. I dont like Reinventing the Steel. Dunno what that album was about.

    I like a variety of metal from Immortal (cmon these guys did a film clip on an iceberg singing "we are the tyrants") to glam cheese metal in Children of Bodom.

    I was never a huge slayer fan, I like a bit of their stuff wouldnt say "YEAH!". They put on a excellent live show, so does Pantera. Its the same with metallica, i am a die hard fan, but still recognise that they just arent the same.

    Actually a band which has sparked unfair comment is Meshuggah. They have quite complex songs most of the time, and really proved that Nu-Metal is a copy of what they've been doing for years. I hear so many new metal bands at the rehearsal rooms doing this Meshuggah style playing, yet it is nowhere near the complexity or groove that Meshuggah has been and done.


  16. I have never had a beef with Pantera or Slayer, i dig them both.
    However that crap with Sum 41 was exactly that.
    Now i am never one to complain about bands, i never put down anyones choices for listening. Complaning about music/genre you dont like will never make it go away, So i live with it...BUT
    i hate Sum 41, but i have personal reasons why. Those lil snots are a disgrace and should have never made it big.
    Sum 41 is the only band you will ever see me put down. But it has nothing to do with their music.
  17. I agree with Razor, everyone that comes to Dallas gives them major props, and usually start in on one of their songs; usually Walk. But when Vinnie and Dime came out with Disturbed it was just nuts.
  18. b'aces high, do you happen to be a iron maiden fan?
  19. Aye, indeed i am!
    My fav band ever since i was a kid.

    Clever nickname, dontcha think? ;)
  20. They did that? I'd love to see it! THIS is true black metal, not that trendy keyboard-drenched, with female backup singer, emotionnal BS... Just total friggin' black metal madness!