Why do people hate PJ basses

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Thijmen B, Nov 29, 2018.

  1. Thijmen B

    Thijmen B

    Nov 29, 2018
    Recently, I've been seeing more and more people wanting fender to go back to exclusively jazz/precision basses instead of the PJ models. Is there any reason for this? Does the jazz pickup cavity damage the sound of the precision pickup for example?
    Is it a matter of nostalgia?

    Thanks in advance.
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  2. ics1974


    Apr 13, 2012
    I have no idea why anyone would hate a P/J. I actually wish there were more options like a MIM Players series P/J
  3. RyanOh

    RyanOh Gold Supporting Member

    I think you need a much larger sample size, I have not heard of such a thing.
  4. solderfumes


    Mar 16, 2016
    The V/V/T wiring that typically goes into these *can* compromise the soloed P pickup tone due to electronic mumbo jumbo (this can be worked around if you use 500k volume pots, but I'm guessing most PJs come with 250k volume pots), which seems like the big downside to me as someone who would probably solo the P pickup 75% of the time.

    Other than that, many people seem to say that there isn't a lot of synergy between the pickups when you blend them -- they're too different in character, and also the P tends to overpower the J pickup (contingent on pickup choice of course). I've seen a few people mention that if you make your P pickup switchable between series and parallel then that can help, with the P pickup in parallel being a much better sonic match for your average J pickup.

    If you were to rewire a PJ with those mods then I imagine it would probably satisfy a lot of people, but as far as I know there aren't any common production basses that do both of those things. I hope to try those mods myself one day!
  5. bholder

    bholder Affable Sociopath Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Sep 2, 2001
    Vestal, NY
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    Hadn't heard that there was a huge crowd of PJ haters. I know some folks don't like them because the bridge J is effectively solo and can't be hum-cancelled. Of course, that's easily solved by getting a hum-cancelling J pickup...
  6. devnulljp

    devnulljp Supporting Member

    Oct 13, 2009
    BC, Canada
    Admin on the D*A*M Forum
    Who hates PJ basses? I've never heard anyone say such a thing ever.
  7. ThudThudThud


    Jun 4, 2010
    I don't hate them.
    I'm not a huge fan of the aesthetics of a Precision bass with an added J pickup. Just looks a bit wrong to me (as do Jazz bodies with P pickups).
    Love Jazz basses, love my Am. Std. Jaguar PJ, love Precision basses, don't love Precision basses with an an added J pickups. This is on looks alone.
    Tone-wise, it's a wonderful thing.
  8. JZQuantum


    Oct 12, 2008
    My take is...they don't do P like a real P and they don't do J like a real J.

    My 2 experiences with PJ basses (Sadowsky and Peavey) tend to support that statement. And plus it's an excuse to own more than one bass! :laugh:
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  9. JRA

    JRA my words = opinion Gold Supporting Member

    Why do people hate PJ basses

  10. ThudThudThud


    Jun 4, 2010
    My Am. Std. Jaguar in passive mode does P like a real P. It doesn't do J like a real J. It does PJ like a real....um....PJ.
  11. kinopah


    Oct 19, 2014
    Uh, they seem pretty popular to me.
    I agree they don't do a J like a true J, and some certainly don't do a P like a true P (although I've played many that do). They're their own thing and definitely one of the most versatile and most used pickup configs. I don't think I've ever heard or read a comment which equates to: "P/J?!?! YUCK!!!"
  12. JRA

    JRA my words = opinion Gold Supporting Member

  13. jd56hawk


    Sep 12, 2011
    The Garden State
    Maybe they haven’t tried this one.
  14. solderfumes


    Mar 16, 2016
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  15. Nice. What do you have in the J position? Looks a little fat for a regular j pickup.
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  16. RedMoses

    RedMoses Supporting Member

    Jul 4, 2012
    Im all about the P/J, however i prefer the wiring to be Vol / Blend / Tone.
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  17. Gorn


    Dec 15, 2011
    Queens, NY
  18. Bryan R. Tyler

    Bryan R. Tyler TalkBass: Usurping My Practice Time Since 2002 Staff Member Administrator Supporting Member

    May 3, 2002
    Reviewer: Bass Player Magazine
  19. roller

    roller Supporting Member

    Mar 30, 2014
    P/Hum is the option I prefer when available. Humbuckers (Music Man pickups and almost every variation of soapbar, be them single-coil or hum-canceling) seem to be a better match with a good P pickup than a J. YMMV.
  20. iomamo


    Aug 16, 2012
    Without the tone pot it is too H-O-T.
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