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Why do we allow organized crime and gang activity?

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by Stinsok, Aug 21, 2007.


  1. Stinsok

    Stinsok Supporting Member

    Dec 16, 2002
    Central Alabama
    It seems that we are turning a blind eye to terrorist organizations right here in our own back yard. Your thoughts?
     
  2. Indiana Mike

    Indiana Mike

    Nov 18, 2005
    hmm

    I don't think it's allowed .

    some may say a certain amount seems tolerated .

    my father was a detective for over 25 years and a cop for 40 , he has told me and I am sure you have seen it , the fact that criminals get away with an activity for years at times .they want to build an airtight case so as to lock them up for a very long time and get as many as they can.

    I think more could be done to prevent as well as stop it.

    I think we are spending so much on something else right now we have screwed ourselves when it come to criminal justice funding.
     
  3. syciprider

    syciprider Banned

    May 27, 2005
    Inland Empire
    If someone made it legal to shoot them on sight, the problem will go away.
     
  4. Poop-Loops

    Poop-Loops Banned

    Mar 3, 2006
    Auburn, Washington
    The only way to stop gangs is to stop them from making any money, that way there is no incentive to join or start one in the first place. Drugs fuel gangs. And we aren't getting rid of drugs any time soon. It's just not possible.

    :rolleyes:
     
  5. Diggler

    Diggler

    Mar 3, 2005
    Western PA
    Just let them shoot each other.
     
  6. IconBasser

    IconBasser Scuba Viking Supporting Member

    Feb 28, 2007
    Alta Loma, California
    psh.. I say we just ditch earth altogether and live on Mars. I hear there are some awsome vacation spots up there.
     
  7. Geoff St. Germaine

    Geoff St. Germaine Commercial User

    They shoot too many innocent bystanders in the process.
     
  8. If you could somehow immediately stop all gang/drug/illegal activity, you would also immediately be destroying the economy of the nation.

    Sad as it is, there is a lot of money being thrown around that isn't legitimate. Take it away, and we have problems.
     
  9. Jeff Bonny

    Jeff Bonny Supporting Member

    Nov 20, 2000
    Vancouver, BC
    Except that they're better armed and more violent than you and have years of experience in doing what they do. You'd loose a shooting war with them fellas toots. You wanna get rid of them you pull their financial plug. Problem there is that the "legitimate" authorities are making too much money by being in bed with them.

    Bottom line is you get rid of one group of thugs and as long as there's money to be made in gambling, drugs, prostitution, large scale theft etc another group will be there to replace them. How many people can say they've never dropped money in a casino or bought drugs or a cheap tv they didn't ask too many questions about? The crooks are not the real problem....Mr & Mrs Middle Class thinking they're not really hurting anyone are the ones lining organized crime's pockets. Where you think the millions of dollars organized crime is in business for comes from?
     
  10. !Rob!

    !Rob!

    Mar 2, 2007
    This "problem" dates back centuries, (vikings, pirates, nomads, etc) it can't be stopped. I truly wish it could be, but it is simply not possible. What disturbs me the most is the modern gangs having access to modern weapons so easily. I just finished reading "Road to Hell" about the Hells Angels, it was unbelievable how they altered the system...how could they possibly stop drugs etc from coming into the country when HA controlled the shipping yards and borders, not to mention the payoffs to heads of government....money corrupts.

    So asking "Why we allow/tolerate it?" ...the only answer is "we can't do squat about it"....many have tried, many have died.

    The only thing I can say is bring your children up with love and respect for their fellow man/woman, teach them right from wrong....maybe that will help the future.
     
  11. Bad Brains

    Bad Brains Banned

    Jan 7, 2004
    Detroit, michigan
    I don't mind organized crime. They are just screwing the system, which screws all of us.

    Legalizing drugs would eliminate most of the gangs anyways. Remember the concept of prohibition on alcohol? Yeah, that worked real well......
     
  12. Jeff Bonny

    Jeff Bonny Supporting Member

    Nov 20, 2000
    Vancouver, BC
    Dude, they ARE the system that's screwing all of us.
     
  13. Matt Till

    Matt Till

    Jun 1, 2002
    Edinboro, PA

    Uhm, it's not tolerated. Yes, you are allowed to be in a "gang" but no, you are not allowed to commit crimes.

    To eliminate gangs, someone mentioned drug money... I don't think that's it. It's a reason people stay in gangs, but the initial reason: Fear. Protection is something a gang offers that schools can't. It's a vicious cycle though, kids fear violence, they join a gang, gangs create violence so more kids are filled with fear, and join a gang. It's the easiest way to manipulate someone, scare them.

    Until the streets are safe, there will be gangs, but as long as there are gangs, the streets won't be safe.
     
  14. Wait just a minute here.... I thought it was "the Man" that was screwing us.

    I get so confused.
     
  15. soulgeezer

    soulgeezer Banned

    Jan 29, 2007
    Northern New Jersey
    Endorsing Artist: Red Zone Effects
    There is not a single answer I can give to this question that wouldn't cross the politics line almost immediately. Suffice to say that attitudes like "There's nothing we can do about it" are simply defeatist.

    We don't tolerate this crap because it goes on; this crap goes on because we tolerate it. It's much easier to turn a blind eye than to actually deal with a difficult issue. And, more money and more education are not the answer. You can't teach entire communities out of situations like that. First, you clean up the streets and create an atmosphere conducive to learning. Then, you can start raising people up.

    But, the gangs and drugs all contribute to keeping those groups "down" that the elites want kept down. Ugly, but true. It serves the purposes of those in power at every level and at every point across the spectrum to keep these groups out of legitimate positions of influence. Give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves, but we'll look like heroes for giving them free cheese, midnight basketball, and a whole lot of lip service. Truly, truly disgusting, in my opinion.

    In my experience, the people who claim to be "on the side of the little guy, the oppressed, the minorities, and those who are unable to care for themselves" are exactly the people who benefit most from keeping these people in the positions they are in. There's no altruism here -- Only greed and want of power. Exploitation of these groups elevates those who expolit them and increases their power exponentially.

    Gangs are the new plantations; drugs are the new slavery; and, affirmative action and welfare programs are the new Jim Crow. The difference this time is that these actions are not only being taken against one ethnic or racial group, but against both those who have been historically discriminated against and the new wave of illegal entrants to this country.

    Let's face it: Who benefits from creating an entire class of people without rights who serve as nothing more than a cheap, exploitable source of labor? That's right -- Elites who are greedy, conscienceless, and power-hungry, who want to create a permanent underclass over whom they hold complete control through absolute dependence. Much like beasts of burden who are fed and given minimal medical care, so long as they produce, these people are "tolerated" because it provides gain to those in a position to benefit from their work.

    And, the burden they place on the rest of us? Ah, well! What a wonderful way to exploit those who do follow the rules and try their best to live good, honest lives -- Steal from those in the middle to pay for schools, health care, etc. for those who on the bottom, and watch the power of the elites increase while their wallets get fatter.

    The problems addressed in this thread could be fixed. They won't be, because too many people at the top live very comfortable lives exploiting the rest of us. So, when you get up for work or school tomorrow, just remember who you're really working for: An elite overclass that will let you keep just enough to prevent revolution, while taking enough to keep the underclass dependent.

    Nice system we've got working here, eh? :rollno:
     
  16. syciprider

    syciprider Banned

    May 27, 2005
    Inland Empire
    Make me world leader and every morning @ 8 sharp we will shoot 12 gang members a day for a year. I guarantee you the problem will go away. You gotta be more ruthless than they are. They will break because they don't have a cause or a higher calling that they are fighting for.
     
  17. soulgeezer

    soulgeezer Banned

    Jan 29, 2007
    Northern New Jersey
    Endorsing Artist: Red Zone Effects
    Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding! No more calls, please! We have a winner!
     
  18. Matt Till

    Matt Till

    Jun 1, 2002
    Edinboro, PA
    Shooting all gang members is the answer? Ok. This thread is more hopeless than I thought.
     
  19. Poop-Loops

    Poop-Loops Banned

    Mar 3, 2006
    Auburn, Washington
    So who are these gang members you are going to shoot?
     
  20. !Rob!

    !Rob!

    Mar 2, 2007
    +1....that just turns the good guys into the bad guys and the cycle continues.

    *no win situation*

    (teach your children well)
     

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