Why does one of my basses sound much better than the other?

Discussion in 'Luthier's Corner' started by smart51, Aug 3, 2021.


  1. smart51

    smart51

    Dec 11, 2019
    UK
    I made two short scale basses earlier in the year, a 4 string and a 5. They are the same scale length, have the same pickups in the same positions, even have the same strings. The 4 sounds great. Bright, clear, with growl, and always good no matter how the pickups' volume controls are set. The 5 sounds muddy, even though there is clearly some treble present. It's OK with one pickup soloed but still not great. Yes, I've checked. The pickups are wired correctly.

    They're both 3 piece through necks with veneer stripes between the pieces. The 4 is made of Wenge, and the 5 from Sapele, but with a spalted beech top. The only other material difference - the 4 has a bone nut and steel bridge pieces on brass tail pieces. The 5 has a nut and bridge made from African Blackwood. Some might remember it from the headless tuners thread I did at the time.

    What is a likely cause of the muddyness? Sapele isn't a bad wood to build from. The 5 string neck is slightly wider of course. Could it be just down to the bone nut and steel bridges? Or have I just been unlucky somewhere with the build.
     
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  2. RichterScale

    RichterScale

    Feb 21, 2021
    WNY
    I'd have to say that's most likely it.
     
  3. arbiterusa

    arbiterusa

    Sep 24, 2015
    SoCal
    Wood matters. You'll eventually learn to hear which cuts resonate and which do not.
     
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  4. Kelly robinson

    Kelly robinson

    Dec 30, 2014
    Interesting problem - I assume same string types between them ? If it was mine I'd try swapping in a bridge and nut of the same kind so they match completely - then see what you think . It is possible there is a difference in the pickups too between the 4 and 5 string versions even of the same manufacturer but that is beyond my pay grade ! Good luck though .... Kelly
     
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  5. GitmoMango

    GitmoMango

    Sep 5, 2019
    Just throwing this out there: let a few other players play them back to back with no upfront coaching. See what they say.

    Since you made them both, you’re definitely biased!
     
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  6. I'm gonna point directly to that right there ^^^
    It's also a main reason why I chose wenge for the neck on my build. There's a tone I was looking for, and wenge usually helps deliver that growly tone. :cool:
     
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  7. RichterScale

    RichterScale

    Feb 21, 2021
    WNY
    As hard as ebony or any other wood is, it's not as hard as bone or metal.
    The wood bridge and nut are absorbing some of the sting vibration and muffling them just enough to hear a difference.
     
  8. RichterScale

    RichterScale

    Feb 21, 2021
    WNY
    It doesn't have to be a bad thing though. You can try different strings, pups, active electronics until it sounds better to you (if you're not happy with it). I'm sure that bridge was a lotta work. Just assign that bass to jobs that require a slightly more mellow tone.
     
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  9. Chrisk-K

    Chrisk-K Supporting Member

    Jan 20, 2010
    AZ, USA
    The 4 has a metal bridge whereas the 5 has a wood bridge.
     
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  10. I'm a firm believer from experience that particularly on 5's or 6's where you need that B-string to walk and talk, the harder and stiffer the better, and I would not use wood for bridges saddles or nuts on an electric bass.
     
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  11. Liam Wald

    Liam Wald Supporting Member

    May 17, 2011
    California Coast
    Some be born with mojo, some be born no so.
    Play ten new Fender USA Jazz Basses and two will be great, six will be okay and two will be dogs.
    Go figure!
    (Please, no offense to K-9's)
     
  12. clickclack

    clickclack

    Jan 20, 2018
    As said above, the bridge is suppressing. Being so close to pickups and picking area, it should be affecting tone more than anything else besides strings and pickups logically. Try a cheapo zinc bridge to test. It should sound better than the most beautiful wood in there looking not as good.
    I don't believe nut material affects as much. Partially because it's only about open strings. Having tried ABS, zinc and graphite, noticed very little difference, if not placebo.
     
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  13. Justinian

    Justinian

    May 7, 2015
    NC
    My 1980 Ibanez Roadster is still the best sounding bass I own, by far. Even after buying 6 this year, and now have 11.
    Mahogany, hi-mass bridge, and just solid as a rock!
    Edit: Meaning consistent output from note to note
     
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  14. xn34

    xn34

    Dec 17, 2020
    +1 on the nuts n bridges material. Physics, density.
     
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  15. JeezyMcNuggles

    JeezyMcNuggles Supporting Member

    Feb 23, 2018
    Santa Maria, CA
    I suck, but nobody really notices
    The wood
     
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  16. Killing Floor

    Killing Floor Supporting Member

    Feb 7, 2020
    Austin, TX
    Maybe subconsciously you just don’t like 5 strings?
     
  17. Non sarcastically…when you say they are identical except for the body, top, bridge and nut…that is probably an indicator that those materials, regardless of what forums and YouTube may declare, actually make a difference in how the instrument sounds.
     
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  18. A body of Wenge vs. Sapele and spalt, huge difference in density alone.
    Plus a 5 will usually require more wood.

    Every bass I've ever made sounds and feels completely different.
    There is the beauty of hand building.

    Oh yeah wooden bridge and nut, muddy, no surprise there.
     
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  19. RichSnyder

    RichSnyder Columbia, MD Gold Supporting Member

    Jun 19, 2003
    The nut will only matter on the open strings. I assume you've verified the pickup height is the same?
     
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  20. BAG

    BAG

    May 5, 2014
    New Zealand
    Photos????

    Some good answers here. The only thing i'll add is something i've seen a few times here on TB.......

    Some trees just don't want to be basses.
     
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