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Why get a 2x12" cabinet?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by bassboat, Nov 25, 2001.


  1. bassboat

    bassboat

    Sep 27, 2001
    Is it worth it too get a 2-12 as a stand alone cabinet? Does a 4-10 have more output, and if so, why bother with a 2-12? It seems like you save a little in weight and size; but give up power handleing.
    I think I understand why someone would buy a 1-12, as a small cab, and then get two for bigger gigs; but why get a 2-12?

    Thanks,

    BB



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  2. Brad Johnson

    Brad Johnson Commercial User

    Mar 8, 2000
    Gaithersburg, Md
    Boom Bass Cabinets, DR strings
    Why? Maybe because they like the sound. Just like other configurations, there are several 2-12's and they have their own sound. Two 1-12's might be more flexible but if that's not a requirement...

    As far as whether it's worth it and how it's output compares with a 4-10... that question can't be answered without more specific info.
     
  3. JMX

    JMX Vorsprung durch Technik

    Sep 4, 2000
    Cologne, Germany
    2x12 don't have that midrange honk that most 4x10s have. They probably transmit midrange frequencies better than other cab types, like 1x15s.
    A drawback can be lower power handling and lower SPL than with a 4x10.

    I know some fretless players that swear by their 2x12.

    Some manufacturers even offer 4x12s, like Tech Soundsystems in Germany.

    www.tech-soundsystems.de

    ND 412 T

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    SPL 104 dB

    28-20,000 Hz

    800W RMS

    75x68x43 cm

    26 kg

    ***

    ND 212 T

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    SPL 102 dB

    30-20,000 Hz

    400W RMS

    75x53x43 cm

    19,5 kg
     
  4. BigBohn

    BigBohn

    Sep 29, 2001
    WPB, Florida
    I'd look into Acme Low B4 4x10 cabs. They seem to have some serious low end for the 4x10 persuasion, yet still maintain that punchiness and treble of a high-quality 4x10.
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  5. My 4x12's are the finest speaker combination that I've played through in my 20 years of gigging. Punchy, articulate with a lovely warm midrange. That scooped mid sound is great in your bedroom or in the music store solo but when in a full band context you can get a little swamped, sonically. They have a very thick, vintage sound which I like; maybe not for all? I replaced a Mesa 2x10RR +1x15RR and my sound is just as clear (and a whole lot lighter!) With a heavey guitar I might sometimes add a Eden D210XLT for a bit more slice. My Eden D212XLT's have a huge, wide bottom and enough "bite" for my fingerstyle "free-dub" punk-jazz basslines. One was ok, two was much better.
     
  6. SRSiegel

    SRSiegel Guest

    Sep 17, 2001
    Ann Arbor, Michigan
    hey JMX, do you know of any other companies that offer 4x12 cabs? im in the US, so tech soundsystems is a bit out of reach. thanks.
     
  7. Brad Johnson

    Brad Johnson Commercial User

    Mar 8, 2000
    Gaithersburg, Md
    Boom Bass Cabinets, DR strings
    Peavey makes a pretty nice 4-12 cab
     
  8. Matthias

    Matthias

    May 30, 2000
    Vienna, Austria
    Peavey and Marshall come to my mind.
     
  9. Matthias

    Matthias

    May 30, 2000
    Vienna, Austria
    I recently got me a Glockenklang 2x12, it's rated 500W, 100dB, weighs only 29kg (64lbs) and sounds superb (very natural with an even response from low B to brilliant highs)

    I bought it because
    1. it's considerably lighter than a 410 (usually around 100lbs)
    2. it was cheaper than most 410's
    3. 500W/100dB is enough for me (BTW most 410's are rated in the range from 400-800W and 95-105dB - I guess there's a bunch of cheap 410's which would be easily blown away by my 212...)
    4. I expected a good compromise between the sound of 15's and 10's (I did NOT want to get a 115 and a 210, because again this would be heavier and more hassle and more expensive)
      Further more I don't like that 'pseudo-bass-hump' that most 410's have.
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      It's just perfect for my needs. :)

      Matthias
     
  10. Brad Johnson

    Brad Johnson Commercial User

    Mar 8, 2000
    Gaithersburg, Md
    Boom Bass Cabinets, DR strings
    If only Glocks were cheap here:D
     
  11. DO... YOU... KNOW... WHAT... THOSE... CABS... COST ???????

    MAN, Neodymium 12's! The wet dream of every speaker builder!
     
  12. JMX

    JMX Vorsprung durch Technik

    Sep 4, 2000
    Cologne, Germany
    I only know the list price of the ND (NeoDynamic) 210 XT: 1890 DM - 945 Euro/$

    The 410 XT or 412 might be around 2900 DM/1450 Euro/$ list price.

    The 410 XT handles 1400W RMS and weighs 24kg!!!
     
  13. SRSiegel

    SRSiegel Guest

    Sep 17, 2001
    Ann Arbor, Michigan
    aaarrghhh!!!


    ...well...


    ...im spent...
     
  14. JMX: Hmm. If you like looking, eh I mean drooling at bass cabs some more, look at www.hevos.nl
     
  15. JMX

    JMX Vorsprung durch Technik

    Sep 4, 2000
    Cologne, Germany
    Joris, the Hevos stuff looks cool, unfortunately I haven't seen one in a store yet.

    Do you know what speakers they use?
     
  16. SuperDuck

    SuperDuck

    Sep 26, 2000
    Wisconsin
    If it's a 2x12 you're looking for, let's not forget the SWR Silverado Combo. I've had my eye on that for quite a while... It's affordable (to some) for about $1k and has gotten good reviews, from what I've read.
     
  17. Dunno really. Must be Beyma or Ciare.
     
  18. brianrost

    brianrost Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 26, 2000
    Boston, Taxachusetts
    Why buy a speaker cabinet based on driver size anyway?

    Imagine you just walked into a store and play through cabinets without checking out what's inside. Listen, then try moving it around. Then pick the one you like the best.

    Common misconceptions:

    Cabs with bigger speakers ALWAYS go deeper
    Cabs with smaller speakers are ALWAYS brighter, punchier or "faster"
    A certain speaker size ALWAYS has a certain sound

    The reality is that everything depends on how the raw speaker was designed and how the cabinet it is mounted in was designed.
     
  19. I replaced my Carvin 410 with an Eden210XLT and was looking for a cab to go with it.I looked at Eden 115xlts,118xls,SWR son of bertha and Aguilar115s.Then I spotted the Aguilar112 and the Eden 212XLT.They would both fill out the bottom similar to a 115,but could be used by themselves and still have enough highs to cut through.Also 212s would be louder than a 115.When it came down to choosing though I just got another 210XLT.After playing through my first one for a month I couldn't imagine needing any more low end,volume,or needing a bigger or heavier cabinet. To me they sound just great.
     
  20. Freakapotamus9

    Freakapotamus9

    Jun 20, 2001
    Nebraska
    i just bought the silverado combo, if you have a question or anything you can p.m. me.

    i love it. well worth the money.