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Why so many Old Smoothie's used for sale and is the Butterscotch ugly?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Gadgetech, Apr 4, 2018.


  1. Gadgetech

    Gadgetech Supporting Member

    Nov 12, 2011
    Cumming, GA
    I see a bunch of the Old Smoothie StingRays used for sale and I'm wondering if people are dissatisfied with them? The reviews online have been pretty good.

    I'm also curious for people who've seen them in person, what your opinion is on the butterscotch. It's hard to get the full translucent effect just viewing online and I haven't found any locally.
     
  2. guy n. cognito

    guy n. cognito Secret Agent Member Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 28, 2005
    Nashville, TN
    When something new comes out, there’s a rush to buy. The sales then come in waves. It’s not an indication of something wrong.

    Butterscotch is not ugly, imho.
     
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  3. My comments are not on why I am selling one, but why I decided against buying one.

    For the past year or so I thought about picking up a Music Man Old Smoothie, and finally was able to play one in late 2017 that was for sale at Matt Umanov Guitars in New York City, just before they closed their doors. I ended up not buying it.

    I bought a Stringray back in 1987 and its been a fantastic bass. I stopped playing for about 10 years because I lost favor with its bright tone (I always had roundwounds on it). Then I decided to put some flatwounds on it, which really tamed the tone, and the bass was brought back into rotation (to the Bass Whisperer .. thanks for this tip!).

    Fast-forward to early 2017 and I am reading the history of how the Old Smoothie came about, why it sounds the way it does, and mostly positive reviews on the bass. My chance to play one came at Matt Umanov's.

    I veto'd the purchase because (1) the Old Smoothie didn't feel as "substantial" as my 1987 Stringray, largely because it weighted noticeably less - not because it lacked anything in terms of quality-of-build; and (2) while I say I have lost favor with the Stringray's bright tone, the Old Smoothie was a little "too smooth" and lacked some of the tone characteristics that drew me to a Stingray 30 years earlier. Its tone had more in common with my Fenders than my Stingray.

    The Old Smoothie that I tested was a great bass, and if I hadn't already had a Stringray at home (an and old Jazz Bass and Precisions from the '60s and '70s) I would have bought it.
     
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  4. sonicyogi

    sonicyogi Supporting Member

    Sep 11, 2005
    NYC
    Here is a pic of one with good representation of the butterscotch. The neck on this one feels a lot like an Olinto P I used to have. Very smooth.
     

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  5. bholder

    bholder Affable Sociopath Supporting Member

    Sep 2, 2001
    central NY state
    Received a gift from Sire* (see sig)
    Mmmm, butterscotch! Not ugly, tasty! (But then, I'm part Scottish, so not unbiased.) :D
     
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  6. ICM

    ICM

    Apr 29, 2013
    Eastern Pennsylvania
    I played one at samash. The necks are really nice and play with great ease.
     
  7. Gadgetech

    Gadgetech Supporting Member

    Nov 12, 2011
    Cumming, GA
    Great feedback and thanks for the pics. @OldFenderPlayer, I read your comments on another thread about and I thank you sharing more here. I only have a Sterling By MM now so I hope to accomplish two things: Getting an American made bass and something with a different tone. This is close enough to my desire of having a Classic StingRay but having a different tone and something American made. I’ve also considered a Fender Jazz American Elite. Great neck but not sure the active sounds aggressive enough. I can’t really compare them side by side.
     
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  8. Gadgetech

    Gadgetech Supporting Member

    Nov 12, 2011
    Cumming, GA
    So the finish seems to be pretty transparent...do you by chance have a similar MM bass with a clear finish to compare that to?
     
  9. sonicyogi

    sonicyogi Supporting Member

    Sep 11, 2005
    NYC
    Actually, the butterscotch is what mainly shows. Look closely for some grain showing through on lower horn.
     
  10. Gadgetech

    Gadgetech Supporting Member

    Nov 12, 2011
    Cumming, GA
    Yes, poor choice of words on my part. The grain seems nuanced...I like that.
     
  11. Epitaph04

    Epitaph04 Always overcompensating Supporting Member

    Jul 5, 2010
    SoCal
    Had a mint green old smoothie stingray that is my favorite ray Ive ever owned or played. Financal issues are the only things that got in the way of keeping it.
     
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  12. I recall writing about the Old Smoothie before .. I hope that I didn't contradict myself! If I did, I was wrong the first time and correct the second.
     
  13. Gadgetech

    Gadgetech Supporting Member

    Nov 12, 2011
    Cumming, GA
    :laugh:
     
  14. Mark76

    Mark76

    Dec 1, 2015
    Leicester
    Like buttah(scotch)?
     
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  15. Pirate Captain

    Pirate Captain Elitist Jazz Snob ******** Supporting Member

    Dec 22, 2016
    Shelter Island, NY USA
    ahh MAN!!! I had no idea! That's a tragedy!
     
  16. I'm still kind of interested in a Smoothie. I tried one at Sam Ash awhile back and thought it was kind of meh, but the setup was horrible and the amp wasn't great, either. The quality was excellent, but it just seemed kind of lifeless to me. I'd like to try another one. The concept of a smoother Ray appeals to me.
     
  17. jdthebassman

    jdthebassman

    Jul 11, 2010
    I have had mine for a year now and I love it,nice tone and feel. love the chocolate burst not big on the butterscotch or the blue.
     
  18. toomanyslurpees

    toomanyslurpees

    Jan 21, 2009
    Only you can decide if the butterscotch is ugly... Unless I can become supreme dictator of all opinions as the relate to basses and bass colours... in which case, no... it's quite nice...
     
  19. Dave W

    Dave W Supporting Member

    Mar 1, 2007
    White Plains
    I played the same bass, and wanted it pretty badly as a birth year special edition for my son. I've owned Stingrays my entire life so it seemed pretty fitting.

    I was thoroughly unimpressed with that particular bass, it played like a 2X4 with strings.

    I completely understand that it just needed a setup, but I also passed on the opportunity even with a fairly hefty discount. As I understand it, that Old Smoothie ended up being the last bass sold at Umanovs.
     
  20. Bass'd on a true story

    Bass'd on a true story

    Jun 28, 2015
    I've been curious about these as well. They seem like such a cool idea, but I've never even seen one in person.
     

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