Yesterday I went to a jam that turned into an offer to join a forming band. While there i got reunited with my Rogue Violin bass that I played for year and years ... but not very much at all in the past five years or so. I have had it setup and I have La Bella Deep-Talkin' medium flatwounds on it. I'm pickin up a used amp tomorrow so I borrowed what was at the practice area, an Acoustic 100. I played for the first time in a long time ... and I hated, hated, hated the sounds I was creating. Pure mud. I tried different amp and bass settings and all I got was mud on top of mud with a side order of ... you guessed it ... more mud. Now I know my Rogue has a somewhat muddy neck pickup but in the past with the amps I've generally used I was able to coax an acceptable sound out of it. But this combination today was just miserable and I felt as if I was cheating the others in the band. Was it my guitar? That amp? Both? And what can I do in the future to relieve this abysmal sound? I've thought about replacing the neck pickup but I've had a hard time finding something that will drop in very easily. I don't do mods like that so I would have to buy a pickup and then pay somebody to do the switch. So I hope somebody here can clear up the muddy mess I made today.
Hopefully the amp you pick up tomorrow will pick up on some nuances that the Acoustic wasn’t getting. Flatwound strings and a neck pickup on a violin bass certainly predispose your sound toward the muddy end of things, but obviously players have made it work. Even just trying a pick might get you there.
yes i used a pick a lot because frankly I haven't played much bass at all so I've been playing acoustic and electric guitars, mostly flatpick bluegrass. It's also short scale or maybe medium scale ,,, but as I said I was just schocked at how it sounded. Two of the other players said my playing was fine, however, so light shone through the mud. I'm hoping it could be the Acoustic amp. I've played one or two before and I thought the sound was just ho-hum but not muddy. Maybe a pedal? I have lots of guitar pedals but really no bass-specific pedal except for a Behringer BD21 with a wonky knob that I have taped over so it works at one setting. Maybe I could use a spare guitar 10-band EQ pedal to help fine-tune the sound? Maybe ... that's all I can think of except using my other bass, an Ibanez GSR200 also strung with flats but I can change them to non-flats; I may even have a spare set. Btw, in the interim I sold my three other basses, including an Ibanez Iceman and an Ergodyne 5-stringer. (I bought that for a forming new country bass that I left after two mind-numbing practices in which we played "Toes" by the Zac Brown Band for two hours or more because the leader demanded we play the song note-for-tone from the LP or CD or 8-track or whatever he had.)
Could have been the amp, or the room, but flats on a hollow body will lean towards muddy. Throwing a round wound set on is probably the easiest and most affordable way to get a crisper and less muddy tone.
It sounds like you’ve got some options without having to run out and buy anything, at least. There’s no reason you couldn’t use that 10-band; some distortion and modulation pedals will lose the bottom, but a lot of “guitar” pedals can also be “bass” pedals. Even so, it’s hard to add definition with an EQ pedal if you don’t have any in the first place. Hopefully your new-to-you amp will find some definition and bring it out; if not, changes in technique are cheaper than picks are cheaper than strings are cheaper than pedals are cheaper than amps and basses … and I would try things in that order
I'm really a minimalist person on pedals, especially on bass. However I do need a compressor because I'm basically a thumb player at heart (hey, so was Paul McCartney mainly) but also use pick and regular finger style. I do have supposedly a built-in compressor on the amp I'm getting but I've read reviews that it isn't all that great but it may be enough. I do have a cheap guitar compressor which I almost never use.
So let me make sure I have this straight: you’re playing the neck pickup on a short scale hollow body strung with flats using your thumb through a budget amp, wondering why you’re getting nothing but mud, but dismissing most advice as fast as we can provide it?
I'm not dismissing any advice as I've played bass for several years until about four to five years ago. But I will dismiss any advice from you. I came here for advice ... whether I wish to follow that advice is up to me, not you.
Hopefully you can bring your bass and try out any amp before you buy. Also, sorry if I missed this, was the combo on the floor?
Well. if you’re buying another amp, you can cure a lot of ills with a good EQ section. Secondly, are you sure your bass is functioning properly? Before you do anything, take your bass with you when you go looking at amps and try out with a bunch of them . Always start out with the EQ set at flat, then see what you got. You try three amps and you still got mud, if this bass sound good before, Could be your pickups went bad, which is somewhat rare, or something else electrically went south, like a pot or cap. Best wishes.
It was likely a combination of: a) the bass frequency content of the other instruments (and/or the PA); b) the room and your position in it.
You're right about distortion, but a bass one will have a knob to blend the dry back in. Boss BB-1X has that and leaves the lows alone. I've heard mine make old strings sound newer and make flatwounds sound lively.
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