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Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Jon Burnet, Apr 15, 2002.
Help me i'm scared. too used to all those 10's behind me.
no. and i dont think anyone ever claimed they did
will i miss the 4x10?
VERY VERY MUCH.
Do you need the 410?
If not, do you feel like hauling it around anyways?
I eventually got tired of hauling around my 410 and went with a 1x15. The 1x15 is 50lbs. lighter and I don't mind the tonal differences between the cabs. Plus, when I need it, I can use both cabinets together for the bigger stuff. I would simply suggest to evaluate your needs and consider going with several smaller cabs than a single large cab....(2)2x10, (2)1x12, (1)1x15 etc. VS. (1)4x10.
I don't have much technical knowledge about speakers but common sense kinda tells you that the speaker area of a 1x12 is much less than the combined area of a 4x10 and by using this information you can conclude that no, the 1x12 won't do what a 4x10 can. At the same time though, all of the amps power will be used to drive one speaker rather than four speakers so you may be surprised at what the 1x12 can do. Just evaluate your needs and determine whether the 1x12 will do what you "need."
If you have ever heard the term "G.A.S." (gear acquisition syndrome) then you know that what you need is always much less than what you want...for the most part.
A 1x12 can't possibly take the place of a 4x10. In fact, I just found out a 2x12 can't take the place of a 4x10.. very close, but no cigar. I had to get a 2x10 to stack on top of the 2x12.
its all about necessity. I used to think I would never need anything besides my 2x10 combo amp... Then When I started playing out alot, I realized, sound guys can be cruel to the bass player. They are more about feeling than actual bass notes. So I had to get a 4x10 so I could be heard loud and clear.. I don't think anyone will say 1x12 cabs can replace a 4x10 cab. but in different settings, a 1x12 cab can come in handy
I now use a Bag End S15-D for almost all of my gigs (small, medium and large bars/pubs/clubs) instead of my Eden 410XLT. Is the 115 better than the 410?Definitely not, but its close enough that the ease of portability will be causing me to sell my 410 shortly.
Dave's dead on, (unfortunately). All other things being equal, (amp quality, pickup quality, bass quality, et al), it's just like being a porn star - more inches is more!!!
But throw a 15" or 18" under those 10"s and something beautiful happens, IME.
There is no way to "fool" people with bass, IME.
No... but two can.
Read Dave Siff's post above...
Well, in fairness, a 2x12 couldn't replace a 4x10 for me. I'm competing with a 100-watt guitar amp and a loud drummer. The Eden 4x10 worked well for that situation, and I thought the Aguilar 2x12 would as well.. given the initial, favorable A/B test. But, I found I need the bite of 10s to get the sound I like. So, I got the 2x10. And now, I roar like thunder!!!
Would you say the Ag 2x12 + 2x10 setup has a more powerful sound than the Eden 4x10 does?
Yeah, I would say it does. Another caveat, though.. my Eden was an 8-ohm cab, so with that set-up I was pushing 650 watts. The 2x10 + 2x12 is a 4-ohm load, so now I'm getting the full 900 watts and, naturally, there's a bit more volume. I'd say the 2x10 + 2x12 has more bottom, because of the 12s, while the 10s give me that bite and cut. It really sounds great.
The ideal thing to do would be to A/B the Aguilar 2x10 + 2x12 vs. a 4-ohm Eden 4x10. I see you're in Portland.. maybe you could make a roadtrip to Bass Northwest?
not having any experience with 12's I really can't say......but physics(sp?)alone will not let it happen.as mentioned above, the more "cone area" you have the more volume you can achive...I think of it like this,my guitarist has a 4x12 cab(=48)...I need at least as much "cone area" to keep up. which is why a 4x10(sometimes?)will keep up..you have 40 in.(pretty close to 48)...now throw a 1x15 or another 4x10 into the equation and add the extra inches...you can do the math here ...I currently use a 2x15 and a 2x10(50 in.)and it works very well..my 2x15 will easily keep up on it's own.but having those "extra inches" really makes a difference .I'll stop ramblin now..you know where I'm goin' with this....
Why? I like Dave... but it won't change my answer