Will a P/J sound like a P-bass with the neck pup soloed?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by ErebusBass, Jul 1, 2008.

  1. ErebusBass

    ErebusBass

    Feb 20, 2008
    Madison, WI
    I feel kinda ignorant asking this, but it's been a long time since I've owned an all passive bass. I sold my only one (my first one) about five years ago and I miss it. I'm going to get an SX.

    Question is just what the title suggests.

    I'm most likely getting this one: http://www.rondomusic.com/spj62.html And i'm wondering if I solo the neck pickup if it will sound like something like this http://www.rondomusic.com/spb62blk.html

    Thanks.
     
  2. Mushroo

    Mushroo Guest

    Apr 2, 2007
    Yes, they should sound pretty much the same. Obviously there is some small variation from instrument to instrument.

    ps I have this one, so I know they are good basses: http://www.rondomusic.com/spb75na.html
     
  3. thisSNsucks

    thisSNsucks I build Grosbeak Guitars and Basses Supporting Member Commercial User

    Dec 19, 2004
    Yonkers, NY
    Grosbeak Guitars
    I have that SX P/J you're looking at. Its a pretty damn good bass right out of the box. IMO it does sound just like a good old P-bass should with the neck pickup soloed. I ended up replacing the stock pickups with dimarzio's but believe it or not, I acctually liked the stock pickups better. I say go for it!
     
  4. fullrangebass

    fullrangebass

    May 7, 2005
    Europe
    IMHO if the pickup is in the same spot (position wise as well as type/brand) and the total of other influential factors are "equal" between basses (woods, strings, bridge construction, setup etc etc) they most likely sound very very similar
     
  5. ErebusBass

    ErebusBass

    Feb 20, 2008
    Madison, WI
    Thanks guys, I figured they would since they have the same body and the pick ups look like they're in the same place. I think I'm gonna pull the trigger tonight, I just gotta check on my finances. I've been GASing so hard for a cheap four banger so I can work on my fingerstyle. I've been a pick player for so long and all of my basses have crazy tight string spacing.

    Only one question remains:
    Black w/Black PG or Red w/Black PG
     
  6. johnnyoffline

    johnnyoffline

    Apr 18, 2008
    19123
    why are these basses so inexpensive? how do they compare to something like a MIM or MIA fender?
     
  7. Mushroo

    Mushroo Guest

    Apr 2, 2007
    Because they are made out of Parts. Fenders are made out of Parts as well, so they are equally as good, as long as the Parts are the same. But a lot of people put different Parts in their SX basses, it is very confusing! :)

    Erebus, my vote is black/black, but it's up to you in the end!
     
  8. ErebusBass

    ErebusBass

    Feb 20, 2008
    Madison, WI
    The basses are so inexpensive partially because they are sold direct (correct me if i'm wrong). This means that there is no markup from wholesale distributer to retail distributor, just from the factory to the wholesaler to you.
     
  9. ErebusBass

    ErebusBass

    Feb 20, 2008
    Madison, WI
    Hey, this is kinda random, but does anyone know if you can remove the pickguard? or do they hide all the wiring under there?
     
  10. acubass

    acubass

    Oct 10, 2007
    Albuquerque, NM
    I had the same question about a month ago. I have a 70"s frankenstein Fender P-Bass with an 80's dimarzio split coil. I wanted a P/J because i like the J body style so....i bought the fender Reggie Hamilton Jazz bass hoping that with the P pickup soloed, i could find a similar tone. I cannot. The RH Jazz just sounds so modern compared to my 70's P. (Big surprise huh!) There are no similarities in MY case. I suppose and hope maybe one day to replace the stock pickup with a vintage split coil but for now I just assume play my P Bass when I need that sound.
     
  11. JTE

    JTE Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 12, 2008
    Central Illinois, USA
    Well, the PUP isn't the only, and in my experience even the primary, factor in the character of the sound. A solo'ed P PUP will sound like a P, even if there are other PUPs on the bass. But that won't make any particular bass sound just like any other particular bass. I certainly wouldn't expect an inexpensive bass made with basswood and with a skinny neck to sound much like an alder P with a big P neck. It won't sound that way unamplified, and the PUP won't magically change the way it sounds.

    The Reggie Hamilton bass has different PUPs than a Fender Vintage Series P, it's got a much different neck, and different body wood, as well as a different bridge. So, the strings aren't going to vibrate the same on a Reggie as it will on a '62 VS. So even if they had the same PUP, they won't sound the same.

    The differences are the individual basses, not the unused PUP that causes the change.

    jte
     
  12. acubass

    acubass

    Oct 10, 2007
    Albuquerque, NM
    Exactly
     
  13. Mushroo

    Mushroo Guest

    Apr 2, 2007
    I have 2 SX basses, and they both have "ugly" routing hidden under the pickguard. Not sure about the particular model you are looking at, but my suspicion is you will want to leave the pickguard on.

    Erebus, some of the other posters have good advice regarding "the pickup is not the only variable" however in your case you are comparing two specific basses that are very similar otherwise.
     
  14. JTE

    JTE Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 12, 2008
    Central Illinois, USA
    I guess the point is, a P bass PUP all by itself will get you into P Bass territory. Any effect of switches, extra pots, etc. MAY impact it, but it will not significantly alter the essential P bass sound. Anyone who finds that a particular instrument with a P/J setup sounds different from a stock P would do well to look at differences other than the electronics.

    jte
     
  15. Lowbrow

    Lowbrow Supporting Member

    Apr 22, 2008
    Allentown, PA!
    I wouldn't either, but through some divine twist of physics, the $195 Danelectro Rumor that I upgraded with a DiMarzio Model P pup and brass/chrome Hipshot "B"-type bridge turned out sounding enough like a real P-Bass that I can use it as an on-stage "hot swap" for my '08 MIA P. And I think the Rumor is made out of particle board or plywood!!

    It's just a happy accident; the hotter output of the diMarzio compensated for the lack of body mass (I say "mass" as the Dano body has a very nice resonance, but is light as a feather). A very nice outcome -- a string-breakage bass switch requires only a one-number adustment of my gain knob (the Rumor is hotter).

    Lowbrow
    dano20080624body.jpg
    dano20080624frontal.jpg
     
  16. ErebusBass

    ErebusBass

    Feb 20, 2008
    Madison, WI
    Thanks, that was a very educated response. I don't by any means expect this to sound like a vintage fender or anything like that, it is what it is. My first bass was a Squier P-Bass, and I miss my old friend. I don't even plan to use this with a band, I just want something with wider string spacing to noodle around on with my fingers.
     
  17. LilRay

    LilRay Commercial User

    Dec 27, 2007
    Between my Roscoe and Leather
    Owner: Cockeyed Cow Custom Leathercraft
    That is the funkiest P I've ever seen!:eek: Got any sound clips?

    Later R.
     
  18. Mushroo

    Mushroo Guest

    Apr 2, 2007
    With all due respect, the SX bass is *not* an "inexpensive bass... with basswood and a skinny neck." It has an alder body and a big, thick maple neck. It sounds closer to a Fender than most anything else in the price range.
     
  19. maevinj

    maevinj

    Feb 10, 2008
    ALB!
    +!
    I've got the P/j bass your looking at and love the sound. The only thing I had to do out of the box was give it a proper setup and put on some new strings. You honestly can't beat it for the price.
     
  20. BassBob185

    BassBob185

    Oct 25, 2007
    Rocking Chair
    I have the SX SPJ in 3 tone sunburst. I also owned a USA Fender P for a while. I replaced the stock pickups on the SX with some EMG passives. The sound of the SX is very similar to the Fender P, about 90% there.