I often have great musicians to play with @ church, but they aren't always there and lately............... I have been struggling with a tastlessly busy drummer and a loud, footpedal heavy organist. You should understand up-front that these players cannot and/or will not change the way they play so talking to them is out of the question, they are also "donating" their time, which I am sure is part of the problem. Drummer- BUSY, BUSY, BUSY, I have seen Speedo's with bigger pockets!! On top of all that he's running Reason and MPC tracks that he programs himself, sometimes the tracks alone are way to busy!! Organist- MUD CITY, he likes to play "bass" on the footpedals sometimes or use his left hand on the upper manual with the bottom four draw-bars wide open. I can live with bieng tied down to the bassline he wants to hear, but he often subs thirds and tri-tones as leading tones into the next chord(without altering his chords mind you) and misses his footpedal by a whole step too often, so I am not exactly able to play "flat-footed". ....So you get the point that I am not a happy camper....... I have very high standards and everybody else seems to think that the music sounds fantastic(except other skilled musicians). My problem is how to fit-in to this mess. My instinct tells me to stay at home and be solid and oversimplify, but with no pocket to sit in it sounds very out of context and makes things sound worse. I usually find myself playing very simple at the beginning of the song, digging my toe nails in deep, and then only when it starts to sound un-musical do I start building the note count to compliment the mess around me. I always looked at challenges like this as a positive, every musical experience should make you better, or at least more experienced, right? Well after a three weeks of these guys solid(no other gigs on the calendar)I hooked-up with some other cats (and a drummer that actually favours his Kick, Hat and Snare over his toms and cymbols) and it took me almost a whole song to feel cozy in the pocket!! This is scary for me! I am considering limiting my playing time with these guys. What do you think? Anybody have any similar experiences or advise?