Wolf tones and muting on a six-string while playing chords

Discussion in 'Technique [BG]' started by juggahnaught, Jun 19, 2018.

  1. juggahnaught

    juggahnaught

    Feb 11, 2018
    Seattle, WA
    When I'm playing fingerstyle, I use the floating thumb technique to mute any ringing strings. Between my fretting hand and my plucking hand, I do a decent job of muting stuff (I'm kind of sloppy and could probably improve, but it isn't terrible).

    When I play chords on my six, though, I get ringing on the low B (and sometimes E if I'm not careful). I tend to play things in a fingerstyle fashion, similar to a classical guitar - using my thumb, index, and middle finger to pluck or arpeggiate chords. When I do this, I find it extremely difficult to mute strings with my plucking hand. (Chords on the A, G, and C strings are easier to mute since I can use some of the meat of my thumb, but chords on the E, G, and C are pretty bad.) Further, I get wolf tones quite a bit when moving chords; fretting chords and muting with the fretting hand seems to be a bit of an overload.

    Does anyone have any tips for this? I know that some people use mutes at the headstock or bridge to control some of this, but I'd like to see if there's something that I can do naturally without resorting to this. Thanks!
     
  2. lz4005

    lz4005

    Oct 22, 2013
    If you're playing a 3 note fingerstyle chord, you're using at most 6 of your 10 fingers. That means you have 4 more you can use to mute your 3 remaining strings. Plus the palm of your right hand. It's just a process of figuring out where to put them for maximum utility.
     
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  3. juggahnaught

    juggahnaught

    Feb 11, 2018
    Seattle, WA
    While that makes sense, I was hoping to find people with experience doing this on a six-string bass. In theory, everything is fairly simple to do, but I'd like to strive for efficiency if possible. (As an example - Jaco muted his strings with his thumb, pinky, and ring finger. It worked really well for him because he practiced all the time. What if, however, he'd decided to use floating thumb? Would he have come up to speed quicker if he'd used a more efficient technique?) I'm just looking for actual advice from people with experience on a six to point me in a good direction so that I can make progress quicker.
     
  4. Never owned a 6 string, but, a thought un-loosened........

    As I understand the 6 string the B is there for the low ledger notes and the C is there for the high ledger notes. So for everything else you have a 4 string bass. Does that pull everything back into perspective?

    Just a thought...
     
  5. gebass6

    gebass6 We're not all trying to play the same music. Supporting Member

    While playing a chord on the E, A and D strings use your fretting hand index finger tip to lightly mute the B string.
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    I also "cheat"with this.
    Right over the nut when not being used to mute for tapping.
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  6. BMGecko

    BMGecko

    Sep 5, 2002
    Albuquerque, NM
    Playing a 6, much like you do (its a big guitar!) I'd suggest that the ringing on the B and E strings is probably activated sympathetically by the notes you are playing. Take note to which string and its harmonic/s are ringing.

    If a note in your chord has an overtone of the harmonic series of the string which is ringing, it's the likely culprit. If it is timely muting is the key.

    Good luck! I'm in your boat and feel you on this one. I have a three note major chord using the B (root), G (5th) and C (3rd) strings. It "only" uses three fingers, but it leaves your hand ill-suited to do much else. I'm working on playing it cleanly on the 4th fret of the B string.
     
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  7. juggahnaught

    juggahnaught

    Feb 11, 2018
    Seattle, WA
    Thanks for the advice! I've actually begun to fix this in a different way - instead of playing chords as I would on a classical guitar with an arched palm, I'm playing it with muted strings.

    Before:

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    After:

    IMG_20180711_124209721.jpg

    Note the thumb position - basically using a variant of the floating thumb technique to mute the strings as I pluck them. This seems to be working fairly well for me so far.
     
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2018
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  8. Clef_de_fa

    Clef_de_fa Guest

    Dec 25, 2011
    My plucking hand palm or thumb touch the B and E string most of the time. Then if I really need to I'll use my index or middle finger of my fretting hand to slightly touch the string that need extra muting.
     
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  9. Rev J

    Rev J

    Jun 14, 2012
    Berkeley, Ca.
    The new position you are using is better ergonomically as it keeps the wrist at a more neutral angle. I was going to suggest exactly what you are doing now.

    C/S,
    Rev J
     
  10. juggahnaught

    juggahnaught

    Feb 11, 2018
    Seattle, WA
    To be fair, I was sitting on the couch when I took that picture (I wasn't actually playing, just demonstrating the hand position); my wrist is a better when I'm actually playing (especially standing).

    I'm lucky that I have bendy thumbs; those who don't have double-jointed thumbs might have an issue with this technique.
     
  11. Rev J

    Rev J

    Jun 14, 2012
    Berkeley, Ca.
    Usually when I'm using that type of right hand technique I rest the outside edge of my palm against the lower strings that I'm not playing. I don't have double jointed thumbs but it is still comfortable to me.

    C/S,
    Rev J