Would this be enough to gig?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by TheGravyNator, Dec 29, 2014.

  1. Hello fellow bass-players,

    I have been playing bass guitar for roughly 5 years now and I am looking to upgrade my gear. I'm talking new bass and new amplifier now. I am currently in a band consisting of a drummer, keyboard player, 2 guitarists and vocals. We currently do smaller gigs but are looking to go bigger, medium and maybe even large gigs. We play a variety of different genres, consisting of rock, blues, rock-n-roll, bluegrass, jazz etc.

    I found a very nice head, the Markbass Little Mark 250 Blackline, and cab, the Markbass New York 121.
    http://markbass.it/product_detail.php?id=239 <- Head
    http://markbass.it/product_detail.php?id=97 <- Cab
    The head is a lightweight solid-state head which delivers a power of 250W @ 4 ohms. It has DI built in, although I do currently own a DI box myself. The cab is a 1x12" cab which delivers a power 400W @ 8 ohms.

    Would this be enough for at least small gigs and medium gigs? I work on a tight budget, really tight. This set together will cost just under 800 euro's. So I can't raise the price too much.

    Thanks in advance!
  2. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    It might. I used to use the CMD 121p combo for a little while and it was enough for me in those situations.
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  3. hsech

    hsech Work hard. My Social Security needs a raise.

    Jun 27, 2012
    Central Iowa
    I play through a Markbass CMD-112p and NY121 extension cab nearly every time I gig. If the gig is small enough I just use the combo without the extension.
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  4. Yes, I think I tried one of those myself, too. In a store, off course. Not in gig situations.
  5. Okay, thanks! So I might have to consider an extension cab when going to bigger venues, I guess?
  6. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    Well I greatly prefer using an extension cab with small rigs, but it may or may not be necessary. Really, the only person who can answer this is you.
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  7. That's true. Thanks for answering, Jimmy!
  8. No, it won't be enough. The pair are 150 watts into 8 ohms. You'll need roughly 300.
    I empathize with the tight money situation. How about just using the rig you've got now and adding to it, and/or buying used gear?
    In the USA we commonly see old Peavey bass amps for sale cheap, and they are good value. They're not cool, but they're nearly indestructible. Does the EU have something comparable?
  9. There are probably places somewhere, but I have no clue where. Does the power increase if I buy extension cabs? And would it hurt to buy, for example, an Eden cab or something else that's affordable and of decent quality?
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  10. Strictly speaking, yes, but watts are not loudness. Specifics about each part of the rig go into the whole, but (in the general terms that matter most to what you're trying to do) more speakers/speaker area are what give you the potential to be louder.

    A 7,500 watt power amp into that NY 121 (or even a Bugera 112 rated at 7,500 watts) would not have the potential to get you as loud as the 250 watt amp into a Markbass 108HR (8x10). A 112 can only put out as much as it can put out.

    Another important aspect of this is how you define small, medium and large gigs and what role your amp fills in those different situations...i.e., will you be running through the PA? In my situation, "large" gigs would generally be bars with 400-500 capacity. At those gigs, we hire and/or use house sound. With IEMs, my amp is doing nothing.

    Without knowing more than that you're growing and you have a tight budget, I'd consider looking into a used 410 cabinet to pair with the Markbass head. If that doesn't pose an issue as far as transport goes, you'd be prepared for the widest variety of situations up to the point that you have PA support. With PA support, there's nothing wrong with having too much cabinet on stage, you just turn it down if it's interfering with the mix. On the small gig end, a 410 can be a space issue, but as always, you can control the volume.
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  11. "There are probably places somewhere, but I have no clue where. Does the power increase if I buy extension cabs?"
    In reply:
    Please take time and look around; classified ads will be a great resource. Buying from private parties rather than stores is usually a good choice, too. The time and energy you use in research will be more than repaid by the euros you save.
    Regarding your last question: Yes, if the ohms of the cabinet(s) are matched to the head. Probably 2 8 ohm cabinets would work, and they'd provide 250 watts, but you'd have to see the head or ask the manufacturer to be sure. Methods of connecting cabinets can vary. The manual I found online for that head isn't very informative.
    250's still a little small.
    300 to 500 would be better. The low notes require MUCH more power than the higher frequencies.
  12. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    Not necessarily. It all depends on how loud the stage volume is and if there's PA. I've done gigs with my medium/loud rock/pop/R&B band with a 35w amp.
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  13. Okay, thanks! I'll have a look at some used cabinets. And this is how I define the 'small-medium-large' gigs:
    Small: A place like a coffee house or a small bar where PA is not needed
    Medium: A small stage or a bigger place where PA is useful, but not neccesairy
    Large: Bigger stage or place where PA is needed
  14. Thanks, I'll dig a bit more to see where I can get the stuff I need. We have a small music store where I live and one of the people who works there could help me out with searching and matching products and he will help me with getting a lower price. I already get discount there ;)
  15. Cool. And IMO maybe people here can give you more on-target input if you describe your circumstances in a little more detail (i.e., what you define as small - large, what your PA situation is, other band members...meaning the drummer...levels).

    I looked on CL Worldwide and wow! there is next to nothing on there...some guy trying to sell an oboe. In the US, in metro areas, there's generally a lot of used gear to be found and 800 euros (~$1,000?) would get you something that would be more than enough for your needs.

    Good luck with it and have fun!

    Edit - Oops, sorry, I only saw the last post and missed where you did give more detail - still, number of people (in terms of capacity/room size) might be more helpful. It's still left kind of open ended. Also, is it your band's PA? What kind of setup is that?
  16. Winfred


    Oct 21, 2011
    I currently use a Markbass cmd102p (2x10 with a 300 watt head). Classic Rock in one band, Soul/Motown in my other. It's more than enough for where I play. On the few occasions where I've needed more, I added my 2x10 ext cab. But all of our outdoor gigs had sound crews and full PA support, so really I could have done those without the ext cab. I just like it. :)

    Your band's volume, your PA support, and the size of the venue you're playing are really important factors in all of this. You'll need to figure out what you need based on that, and probably some other "issues" that will crop up too.

    I like flexibility when it comes to rigs. Having some options usually makes things easier.

    In the end, it's all entirely up to you. :)
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  17. slade


    Apr 5, 2001
    agreed with all of the above.
    I can get by with a single 12" on a handful of gigs. Once the drums start to play at full volume I have to switch over to 2 112s. Once the band demands a louder stage sound, playing outdoors, or a style of music (like reggae) etc I switch to my 410.
    If you have a nice PA, and great monitors you can get away with less in general.
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  18. I think I would define small as 10 to 50 people, medium up to 200/250 people and large all above that. I only did small stuff up to now.
  19. slade


    Apr 5, 2001
    i regularly carry a 250 capacity bar (usually at capacity) with 2 112s FYI with no PA support, in a pretty loud band.
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    I'll have a word with our band leader. He'll know about venue sizes, the band level and what PA support we might have. Thanks for answering