• TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
    Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
    Join free Log in
    Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.

Double Bass Lemur Jupiter Upright Bass vs. Cleveland New Standard

B

bovinator

Jul 12, 2006
13
0
www.marklau.org
#1
i just got an email from lemur about a new bass they are selling.

Invalid Link Removed

looks like it might be a smaller american standard copy like the cleveland new standard. anyone have any more info on this? particularly in regards to how it compares to the cleveland?
 
#6
I'm amazed that anyone would want to knock off the Cleveland bass. Like any double bass sells well enough to warrant that kind of copycat behavior.

I suppose copies have been around forever, it's just funny to me they are copying a plywood copy of a plywood copy of an Italian Bass.
 
#7
Uncletoad said:
I'm amazed that anyone would want to knock off the Cleveland bass. Like any double bass sells well enough to warrant that kind of copycat behavior.

I suppose copies have been around forever, it's just funny to me they are copying a plywood copy of a plywood copy of an Italian Bass.
Click to expand...

Are they copying the copy of the copy or are they copying the copy? (Try saying that ten times aloud and fast). :)

They seem to be copying the same classic American ply of which the Cleveland is also a copy.
 
#8
Just to clarify, the Cleveland is not a copy of the American Standard. It is "in the style of". There are modifications to the shoulders, neck joint, neck, string length, scroll, etc., etc. I have written to Jerry at Lemur expressing my displeasure at his obvious attempt to capitalize on the New Standard's success with a cheap imitation.
 
#9
arnoldschnitzer said:
Just to clarify, the Cleveland is not a copy of the American Standard. It is "in the style of". There are modifications to the shoulders, neck joint, neck, string length, scroll, etc., etc. I have written to Jerry at Lemur expressing my displeasure at his obvious attempt to capitalize on the New Standard's success with a cheap imitation.
Click to expand...

Good, glad to hear it.

Note that in the advertising copy that Lemur says that it is the, "new standard of excellence," etc. Perhaps it is building on the reputation, even the marketing language, of the AES basses.

They don't seem to be the first firm to try to capitalize on the superior value and reputation of the AES instruments with a bit of wordsmithery.
 
#10
arnoldschnitzer said:
Just to clarify, the Cleveland is not a copy of the American Standard. It is "in the style of". There are modifications to the shoulders, neck joint, neck, string length, scroll, etc., etc. I have written to Jerry at Lemur expressing my displeasure at his obvious attempt to capitalize on the New Standard's success with a cheap imitation.
Click to expand...
It is annoying when a business tries to steal the goodwill from another to make their daily bread rather than creating some of their own.

Happens all the time in all kinds of business.

Maybe they should have bought out the company instead!
 
#11
arnoldschnitzer said:
Just to clarify, the Cleveland is not a copy of the American Standard. It is "in the style of". There are modifications to the shoulders, neck joint, neck, string length, scroll, etc., etc. I have written to Jerry at Lemur expressing my displeasure at his obvious attempt to capitalize on the New Standard's success with a cheap imitation.
Click to expand...


Thanks for the clarification. I was repeating Toad's characterization that they were "copying a plywood copy [Cleveland] of a plywood copy [American Standard] of an Italian Bass."

So do you see Lemur's product as a direct copy of your own or is theirs simply another bass "in the style of" the American Standard? Even if the latter, it would seem that their idea was to profit from your successful approach. What they are doing is pretty obvious. I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say they are trying to "steal good will." Here's a sincere question. At what point does any other company's decision to build a bass of such a style constitute encroachment rather than legitimate competition? One would hope that buyers will recognize quality and value.


Note in edit: Wow! I compared some close-up pics of the Lemur bass and the Cleveland. Geez-- to my eye anyway, the Lemur does, indeed, look like an attempt to copy the Cleveland as closely as possible. Some of the small details are astonishingly close.
 
#18
I'd go with the Cleveland. It seems like they're doing this to capitalize on the NS success/popularity. The bass will be worth it [NS].

all the best.
 
#20
Too bad... I'm thinking twice about shopping at Lemur now. Even if I never buy anything from Arnold, why would I want to support that behavior.

And to think I was going to consider going to then to search for an expensive bass.
 

Latest posts

Top Bottom
Back