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NBD: SG Bass Mod - Gibson "EB Thunder"

What Gibson's EB3 should have become but never did.

In the neck position: Beautiful, glorious, juicy, thick MUD.

In the bridge position: Remarkable clarity and hard punch.

Last year I bought a Curtis Novak mudbucker with the intent to do an "EB3 mod" on my SG bass. But earlier this year I was seized by inspiration one night to put a Thunderbird pup in my SG. So to do this, I turned to none other than Steve Soar of Thunderbucker Ranch.

After some waiting, I got my Thunderbucker: a Thunderbucker MX Bridge. As soon as I did, I took the bass and the pups to my tech, Tom Pellerito. Great guy who does great work.

After about a month or so of waiting, he told me he finished it. The way he explained it, it was somewhere between a mod and a restoration. He has to route the bridge cavity and add a bit of wood as well to get the pickup just right. In the end, he couldn't have been happier with the way it turned out and I couldn't be happier too. Pellerito said he'd recommend the mod to anyone who brings a bass like this to him in the future.

The way these pups work with each other and complement each other is uncanny. The perfect mismatched tag team. The mudbucker is a wild untamed beast, while the Thunderbucker is super defined. Together they create a huge sound that steamrolls and cuts at the same time. These two pups are surprisingly balanced, and without much effort. I found I didn't have to raise the mudbucker's pole pieces anywhere near as high as I did with the SG bass pup. Ditto for the Thunderbucker, as with the old mini-humbucker I had to raise the pup until it was nearly touching the strings and even then the E pole piece had to be raised.

To put it bluntly: This is a remarkable improvement over the candy-ass stock pups.

Overall, super happy with the way this turned out. Tons of bottom end too. As soon as I plugged it in and played at home, my mother remarked that it was the best sounding of all my basses. I thought that was funny.

Short-scale naysayers, eat your hearts out.

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And a sound demonstration:

 
Yeah, it's a bar I found on ebay. I can't find them anymore. It's actually pretty useful. I added the nylon washers too when I was using Rotosound tapewounds, but decided to keep them around when I switched back to roundwounds. The bass feels a little tighter because of it.

I had a supertone bridge for a while, but switched back to the stock bridge. I might give the bridge another go sometime and see how it sounds/feels. If it's no good, I'll use my current setup.
 
The stock bridge has some design flaws, but it's not so bad after dicking around with it for a bit. The supertone isn't a perfect bridge either. Why the screws don't go through the other side of the saddle on the supertone is beyond me.

I'm not really set up for sound clips. Best I can do is questionable youtube clips.
 
Again, whatever works for you - but to be honest, I didn't hear anything in that track that even remotely resembled "Remarkable clarity", and don't see any of that actually working in a band mix... Do you play in a band???



- georgestrings

Yeah, I do. My friend, Tom Pellerito, seems to disagree. His comments: "I know what you told me about the mudbucker and short-scales, but I was noodling around with the bass and I didn't find that. I thought it was actually very articulate." Funny that he said that, coming from a guy 30 years older than I.

Perhaps you should consider the possibility of hearing damage.

Any other words of wisdom?
 
Digging the sound and the look. Great job.

Why did you remove the middle post on the 3 point bridge?

Any advantage to that?

Thanks, appreciate it.

The point was removed for a couple of reasons. One, it bothered me that the entire bridge setup was supported by that tiny post. Two, like a nimrod I stripped the thread insert when installing a screw for the front of the supertone bridge to rest on. After I decided to put the original bridge back on with my mod bar/nylon washer set-up because I wanted to use Rotosound tapewounds, the original post didn't fit so I didn't bother with it. Instead I just put a some washers under it and miraculously the bridge was perfectly level and the action just dandy.

Of course, then I decided to put rounds back on. Good thing I did, because it sounds so much better. Action's still dandy.

I love it when things just sort of come together like that.
 
I've always been somewhat intrigued by the possibility of using different pickups in the bridge position of an EB type bass.

I tend to go for a nastier, less mellow sound, though.

One thing's for sure, it looks damn cool.

One thing you should consider is my YT video's quality. I don't have quality recording equipment, so it's hard for me to capture all the nuances of a given bass' sound. In the flesh, the bass has more lows and highs than the limitations of my camera's mic would lead you to believe.

It is somewhat mellow sounding, but I don't think there's anything that can change that about an EB-style bass. It seems to be one of their characteristics, and that's either good or bad depending on what your "sound aesthetics" are. Active might make a difference, if that's what you're into. For me, I decided active electronics aren't something I need.

On my bass, the bridge pickup produces a very clear "burpy" sound. Highs are more present than your standard mini-humbucker, and the low-end is stronger than I thought possible.

The mudbucker is predictably "muddy" or "woofy" or "boomy" or whatever term you want to call it, which is exactly what I wanted. It's very powerful. That fuzzy sound is something I've always loved.

When the two are combined, the Thunderbucker MX "reels in" the mudbucker's woofy-ness while the mudbucker backs up its newfound partner in crime with some extra power. I fully expected the mudbucker to overpower the thunderbucker, but that isn't the case. They're a perfect team.

Really, I wish I could afford pro recording equipment. This bass is a beautiful thing to experience.