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guitar center sells counterfeit copy of my ritter despite them being informed.

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john turner

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some time ago, a tb'er got in touch with me to tell me that he had a chance to play my ritter 7 string recently at a guitar center in california and thought it was a great instrument.

since no tb'ers have been in my studio (other than me heh) in the past ~4 years, and my bass hasn't been to california since the namm show where i received it from jens, i asked him kindly to elucidate.

apparently guitar center san jose has a "ritter" for sale in the used section that looks remarkably similar to mine. i was intrigued by this, attempted to contact the guitar center, but never received a response, and contacted jens asking if he had built another one like mine (since there's no other like it listed on his webpage, and he seems to keep good track of all his instruments).

jens didn't think he had heh, so i again attempted to contact guitar center for more info on the bass, but to no avail.

another tb'er recently contacted me via pm, asking how i liked my ritter 7, saying he was looking at picking up a used ritter 7 and wondering what my thoughts were.

it turns out he was interested in acquiring the bass in question from guitar center. i told him that there was some question as to the authenticity of the instrument, so he had the gc guys send him pictures, which he then showed me.

gotta say, i was almost convinced by them - the instrument is -very- similar to a ritter bass, sufficiently so that i was almost convinced that it was real.

then they told him the serial number.

0443. same as mine.

so basically somebody copied my bass.

now, if anyone is interested in the gc "Ritter" fake, i can assure you that it is most definitely -not- the ritter listed on jens' website as serial number 0443. that bass, serial number 0443, is sitting right here, next to me, as the attacked picture below shows. as you can see on the ritter instrument website, as well, i am listed as the original owner of 0443, and i assure you not only has that ownership not changed, but it's not going to change as long as i live.

i gotta say i'm pretty p.o'ed at this - the mere existence of this instrument devalues my bass. it certainly looks very much like the real thing - by the pictures i saw i was almost fooled (there are a few things not right, but they are extremely minor), until i heard about the serial number.

i certainly feel for guitarcenter here - you know they got this bass from someone and gave them a few thousand dollars for what is probably a fake chinese copy that's worth a couple hundred, if that.

i find it amazing that someone with such obvious skill would copy an existing, unique instrument instead of making their own.

wonder if it was made in china. :hmm:
 

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some time ago, a tb'er got in touch with me to tell me that he had a chance to play my ritter 7 string recently at a guitar center in california and thought it was a great instrument.

since no tb'ers have been in my studio (other than me heh) in the past ~4 years, and my bass hasn't been to california since the namm show where i received it from jens, i asked him kindly to elucidate.

apparently guitar center san jose has a "ritter" for sale in the used section that looks remarkably similar to mine. i was intrigued by this, attempted to contact the guitar center, but never received a response, and contacted jens asking if he had built another one like mine (since there's no other like it listed on his webpage, and he seems to keep good track of all his instruments).

jens didn't think he had heh, so i again attempted to contact guitar center for more info on the bass, but to no avail.

another tb'er recently contacted me via pm, asking how i liked my ritter 7, saying he was looking at picking up a used ritter 7 and wondering what my thoughts were.

it turns out he was interested in acquiring the bass in question from guitar center. i told him that there was some question as to the authenticity of the instrument, so he had the gc guys send him pictures, which he then showed me.

gotta say, i was almost convinced by them - the instrument is -very- similar to a ritter bass, sufficiently so that i was almost convinced that it was real.

then they told him the serial number.

0443. same as mine.

so basically somebody copied my bass.

now, if anyone is interested in the gc "Ritter" fake, i can assure you that it is most definitely -not- the ritter listed on jens' website as serial number 0443. that bass, serial number 0443, is sitting right here, next to me, as the attacked picture below shows. as you can see on the ritter instrument website, as well, i am listed as the original owner of 0443, and i assure you not only has that ownership not changed, but it's not going to change as long as i live.

i gotta say i'm pretty p.o'ed at this - the mere existence of this instrument devalues my bass. it certainly looks very much like the real thing - by the pictures i saw i was almost fooled (there are a few things not right, but they are extremely minor), until i heard about the serial number.

i certainly feel for guitarcenter here - you know they got this bass from someone and gave them a few thousand dollars for what is probably a fake chinese copy that's worth a couple hundred, if that.

i find it amazing that someone with such obvious skill would copy an existing, unique instrument instead of making their own.

wonder if it was made in china. :hmm:
This is a BAAAD situation. Just called them acting like a customer and the dude I talked to gave the serial "0443" with total confidence....sigh. BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD news...

I'm going to look into it on wed, and find out who their "good customer with a LOT of high end bass gear that had to sell them all" is...and give them a heads up.
 
well, i've talked to jens about it, and so has the tb'er who was originally interested in buying the bass, so jens knows what's going on as much as we do. in fact, when i first talked about it was when he asked me if i was finally interested in the gold seal 7 (which i most certainly am, and am going to be sending a down payment on within the next few days, if all things go according to plan).

i have contacted guitar center, with a link to the original ritter page for serial number 0443, illustrating the differences from my bass (there are a few, one of the most obvious being the lack of the black square at the base of the fretboard).

as for the counterfeiter making up a serial number, that would be too obvious - jens has all his instruments listed by serial number on his website, along with the owner's name, if they are known. someone obviously wanted to rip somebody off, and that was the intention here. get an expensive instrument with a known serial number and provenance that could be verified by the web. probably was on ebay for a few thousand bucks, someone bought it, then traded it in to guitar center for something, and now gc is left holding the bag.
 
This is the definition of "bogus".

<edit> my sympathy for GC diminishes further when I see the "Zon Sunnus" they have for sale further down the page...
 
This is a BAAAD situation. Just called them acting like a customer and the dude I talked to gave the serial "0443" with total confidence....sigh. BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD news...

I'm going to look into it on wed, and find out who their "good customer with a LOT of high end bass gear that had to sell them all" is...and give them a heads up.

awesome dude.

i've sent an email to them regarding this issue, but i wouldn't be surprised if they ignore it.

i just hope nobody falls for this thing and buys this bass at $4k+.

please, anyone at all interested in the bass listed as a used ritter at guitar center, please contact me directly, either via pm, or if you're not a member at talkbass, use the contact us link at the bottom of the page.

i can prove without a doubt that that bass is -not- serial number ritter SN 0443. please don't waste your money.

i'll try to get jens to chime in too (he has a membership at talkbass).
 
awesome dude.

i've sent an email to them regarding this issue, but i wouldn't be surprised if they ignore it.

i just hope nobody falls for this thing and buys this bass at $4k+.

please, anyone at all interested in the bass listed as a used ritter at guitar center, please contact me directly, either via pm, or if you're not a member at talkbass, use the contact us link at the bottom of the page.

i can prove without a doubt that that bass is -not- serial number ritter SN 0443. please don't waste your money.

i'll try to get jens to chime in too (he has a membership at talkbass).
John, let me call them tomorrow...may be able to get a little more movement from the inside...

Can you PM me a copy of your email & the link to your exact ritter? I'll get it all to the store manager's attention and try to get to the bottom of all of this.

In the meantime, don't buy this bass people. Keep calm and stay tuned. Somebody succeeded in ripping of GC...or the customer who sold it to GC...hell...got both probably :hmm:

Jeremy
 
Couple of years back I found fake Ric in the GC store (really damaged) for $300.00. I went there, took a look and talked to my buddy, who worked there. They pulled it of the shelves same day. Manager was really angry. But, they were fair. They thanked me for pointing out...
 
i cant wait to hear how this turns out. I'll put money that GC blows you off, or just says, we'll look into it, and it will still be for sale

well, they stand to lose more than they gain if they do that. it -will- come out that that bass is a counterfeit - anyone who can afford to buy a $4k bass is going to attempt to contact jens regarding it in some manner, and then the truth will out right there, and folks that can afford a $4k bass can afford an attorney's retainer, usually.

but i don't think gc would do that, to be honest. i think, if they take this seriously to start with, which i'm hoping they do, then they're going to see that they have something not kosher on their hands and they're going to do what they have to to a) recoup their losses and b) not end up being liable for selling a counterfeit instrument as the real thing to someone. i really don't think they would do business that way.
 
Couple of years back I found fake Ric in the GC store (really damaged) for $300.00. I went there, took a look and talked to my buddy, who worked there. They pulled it of the shelves same day. Manager was really angry. But, they were fair. They thanked me for pointing out...

Do you know what was done with it, trash, given to the authorities? Ive never traded in gear at GC, but dont they, or shouldnt they get some info down, as well as maybe a drivers license number, or something of that nature?
 
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