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torzal neck + fanned frets + skeleton guitar

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Mustafa Umut Sa

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I want to build a 17 string fanned fret torzal neck.

Guitar will be made from two steel rods , headless bridge and few short rods which will keep everything together

I mean it will be a skeleton guitar.

I have problems to be solved !

a - can i give 15 degrees twist to neck and 20 degrees twist to the nut with skeleton two rods neck without bending the rods ?

Or does it have to be 15 to 15 ?

b - how can i place the fanned frets on torzal neck ?

Best ,

Mustafa Umut Sarac
 
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I think if you have any chance of building that, you're going to have to understand the geometry inside out. I think you'll be best off figuring it out yourself.

No offense intended or anything, I'm just saying that if I were in your shoes, planning to build something like that, I wouldn't take anyone else's word for it anyways. ;)
 
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Arx said:
I think if you have any chance of building that, you're going to have to understand the geometry inside out. I think you'll be best off figuring it out yourself.

No offense intended or anything, I'm just saying that if I were in your shoes, planning to build something like that, I wouldn't take anyone else's word for it anyways. ;)
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+1 on all points.

If you haven't figured out on your own that for a flat-profile fretbooard, any angled fret on a twisted neck must be concave, you have not learned or thought nearly enough.
 
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I also think the ergonomic gain in the twisted neck might be lost in an instrument with 17 strings and fanned frets (that is, this will not be a comfortable instrument no matter how you slice it). Mr. Sarac here is infamous for coming up with outlandish ideas for instruments, but I don't believe he's ever tried to build any.
 
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conical johnson said:
I also think the ergonomic gain in the twisted neck might be lost in an instrument with 17 strings and fanned frets (that is, this will not be a comfortable instrument no matter how you slice it). Mr. Sarac here is infamous for coming up with outlandish ideas for instruments, but I don't believe he's ever tried to build any.
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I agree, especially on the ergonomic aspects. The whole idea of a twisted neck is to take strain off the wrist.

On a 17 string, you're going to have to wrap your arm around it anyways.
 
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Mustafa Umut Sa said:
I want to build a 17 string fanned fret torzal neck.

Guitar will be made from two steel rods , headless bridge and few short rods which will keep everything together

I mean it will be a skeleton guitar.

I have problems to be solved !

a - can i give 15 degrees twist to neck and 20 degrees twist to the nut with skeleton two rods neck without bending the rods ?

Or does it have to be 15 to 15 ?

b - how can i place the fanned frets on torzal neck ?

Best ,

Mustafa Umut Sarac
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I don't think that's ambitious enough. You could do a doubleneck, then do compound radii on both fretboards, put LED's in the side dots and inlay dots, incorporate a built-in tuner, and then, -

oh, nevermind...











:ninja:
 
#10
The seventeen strings is definitely possible, just not done in normal fourths. It'd work out fine if you were making something with a similar tuning style to a chapman stick. What gets me is that if you were making a tap-style instrument is why would the torzal twisted neck be a benefit?
 
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Yvarg said:
The seventeen strings is definitely possible, just not done in normal fourths. It'd work out fine if you were making something with a similar tuning style to a chapman stick. What gets me is that if you were making a tap-style instrument is why would the torzal twisted neck be a benefit?
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It wouldn't. It looks like he's just trying to make it impressive, rather than useful.

Why seventeen strings anyways? With the stuff I've seen played on 7 and 11, I couldn't see any reason for any more.
 
#12
I encourage everybody to read all of Mustafa's posts - they are fascinating. He has extremely lofty/bizarre/technical ideas, but often has trouble articulating them, as he is not a native English speaker (this usually makes this posts even more interesting because of his abstract way of speaking). I wish I could make a mutant child with Mustafa's ideas and Dusty G's follow-through. Then we'd have somebody constantly creating new, unplayable, totally weird instruments out of polyurethane that he would charge $200 for.
 
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He also doesn't have any idea that on a "skeleton" (Gittler-style) Torzal neck, there would be no need for any bending of rods, regardless of the degree of twist. He seems to, once again, gotten a whiff of a good-smelling idea or two, and assumed the rest of the meal without any further thought, or culinary practice.
 
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I find it very disturbing that some of these replies are personnel attacks aimed at the original posts character. If you don't like the project FINE! You can post that you don't like the project, but to use the opportunity to come up with witty personnel attacks... "Shameful!"
 
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Nomad98 said:
I find it very disturbing that some of these replies are personnel attacks aimed at the original posts character. If you don't like the project FINE! You can post that you don't like the project, but to use the opportunity to come up with witty personnel attacks... "Shameful!"
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Look, it's just that the OP has a history of bringing up creative but impossible ideas, not doing the research to find out what might be necessary as modification to the original idea to make it feasible, denying all good and well-meaning analysis and advice, and disappearing.
 
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Nomad98 said:
I find it very disturbing that some of these replies are personnel attacks aimed at the original posts character. If you don't like the project FINE! You can post that you don't like the project, but to use the opportunity to come up with witty personnel attacks... "Shameful!"
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I hope you're not referring to what I said. I sincerely think this guy's posts are fascinating, and not in a making-fun kind of way. I really wish he would try to build some of the things he dreams up - there would be some engineering hurdles to get over, sure, but I think these kind of ideas are what instrument design needs right now, not more boutique jazz bass copies. I can't fault Peter for being a realist, but I admire people who start with impossible ideas and try to make them possible. Check out this great Mustafa quote:

Mustafa Umut Sarac said:
I will build the mold prototype with zcorp rp machine and fill the room with guitars than sold 14 string nykelharpa keyed , bose waveguide bodied , adaptive , form changable robotic spacer guitar for 200 dollars .
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Something tells me that this guys posts are a joke. I remember seeing a post on an opposing bass forum a while back where they would send members over here to make outrageous posts and make fools of the repliers. It was a .co.uk site full of children. I have no doubt that this is any different.
 
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