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Questions about (and problem with) Genz Benz NeoX-210T cab

spike42

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Oct 21, 2007
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Maiden, NC
Hi, I'm frustrated; any input is appreciated. First some
background. Roughly a year ago I purchased a used
Genz Benz NeoX-210T cab from what appeared to be
a reliable person on a bass forum. I'd been using a pair
of Genz Benz LS115Bs for a long time. I liked them well
enough that I wanted to stick with the GB brand, but I
also wanted something that would fit into my smaller
car. I chose the 210T over the 212T based on size and
weight.

I'd also changed my amp from my old Genz GBE to a
Neo-Pak 3.5 that I bought new from an ebay seller
claiming to be an authorized dealer. More about that
later.

With the Neo-Pak at 350w @ 4 ohms and the cab
being 4 ohms and rated at 450w, I felt it should be
a good matching. I play classic rock, small rooms
mostly. I'm an old guy, don't push things too hard,
and pay attention to amp settings regarding clipping.

The few gigs I did play with the combo I thought
sounded pretty good. Much more lively than one or
two of the 15 cabs and certainly easier to load in/out.
We don't play that often so the cab sat most of the
winter until I started prepping for this upcoming gig
we have. I noticed that the cab had a buzzing sound.
I went though all the usual: cable, different bass,
checked the ground lift, etc. I found that I could
reproduce the problem with my son's GK head, so
it looked like the cabinet itself. I could get it to lessen
by turning the tweeter all the way off but then the
cab lost much of it's "zest" of course. So I wanted to
get it looked at by a proper repair shop.

I brought it to the only authorized GB repair place in
my area. They claimed that both speakers were gone.
I told them that I could not afford to replace them out
of pocket and please get me an estimate. They then
told me they have a pair of speakers coming from GB.
I said oh, are they covering it under warranty (I'd called
GB and they said the cab had a 3 year warranty, but I
had my concerns since I was not the original purchaser).
The repair shop said they didn't know, but GB would not
send speakers until they sent them the bad ones first.

End result, they said come pick up the cabinet, your
bill is $382, parts and labor. I said I could not afford
that, they said we will sell your stuff. I had brought
them the Neo-Pak as well so that they could easily
reproduce the problem, so they had over a grand's worth
of my stuff and I didn't want to lose that over $382.
I had to sell one of my basses to cover the cost, so I
really felt like I lost out on the deal.

Then to add insult to injury, they charged me a bench
fee on the Neo Pak!! They said there was nothing wrong
with it; I know that it was only there for their convenience.
Again, pay it or lose your stuff. My total cost was $465.
I gave them the receipt from the dealer I got the
Neo Pak from and they said "hey if we honored every
claim made from some ebay jerk, we would never get
paid". So I got stuck with that bench charge as well, for
a brand new amp that was under warranty, had no
problem, and was left for their convenience.

Now to my question: was my initial pairing of amp
and cabinet somehow incorrect? Should I be able to
play small-room gigs at moderate volumes (amp
never goes above half-way volume/gain) without
blowing up both speakers in a NeoX-210T cab? The
cab is back to sounding good, but I am now afraid
to use it for anything. If that model of cabinet is only
suitable as a practice amp, what should I get in it's
place for small gigs?

I can go back to lugging my old 15's around, of course,
but it was so nice to have a smaller cab that I could fit in
the car. To go along with my smaller-sized Neo amp; kinda
silly to have a nice portable amp and huge cabs that necessitate
using a van to haul them. I read a lot about
Schroeder cabs, would that be a better choice if the smaller
GB cab is fragile?
 
Genz's warranties are transferable so if it was under warranty you got jacked.

To answer your main question, no, there's nothing wrong with that pairing and I would not hesitate to use it for small gigs.

It's hard not to jump to conclusions and say the repair shop snowed you, but 465.00 repair bill seems a little - excessive, given the replacement cost on those speakers is probably around 65 bucks OEM from Genz. Maybe 80?
 
Genz's warranties are transferable so if it was under warranty you got jacked.

To answer your main question, no, there's nothing wrong with that pairing and I would not hesitate to use it for small gigs.

It's hard not to jump to conclusions and say the repair shop snowed you, but 465.00 repair bill seems a little - excessive, given the replacement cost on those speakers is probably around 65 bucks OEM from Genz. Maybe 80?

Agreed on all points.
 
wow that sounds unfortunate.
GB cabs are certainly not fragile. They are extremely durable from my personal experience. And i beat my stuff up.

my opinion is that cab and head should match up nicely. However even though a head and cab match up power(wattage wise) if someone is to EQ massive amounts of lows (bass) into the cab by way of EQ settings, that could possibly cause a speaker (of any brand) that is rated even higher to have over excursion of the coil and blow up..

a 2x10 can cover moderate gigs with a moderate drummer and guitar rig.. but if the guitars are using 100 watts and 4x12 cabs and you have zero PA support, the laws of physics just wont allow you to punch through that wall without something giving in.

To me and in my opinion, the repair price that that Repair shop charged you was exorbitant..
But did they give you an estimate before doing any work?

I believe the GB warranty is transferable.But someone from GB that knows better than i , may be here to answer that for you with much better detail.
 
i know exactly how you feel I was going to get charged about 200 bucks for fixing a crossover plate on my ampeg SVT 210he but I figured I dot it myself instead. I did it and my cab is back to it's prestige form. The plate was only 60 bucks. Besides we have people here than can help you out, next time just take a shot here. Those guys deserve to get shut down...greedy wallet huggers!
 
Hi, thanks for the discussion so far. I'll admit that it
took me a few days to calm down enough to even be
able to write this up.

First, the repair shop is easy to locate, their being the
only one listed on the GB site for my state of
Massaschusetts. As noted, when they first called to tell
me that both drivers were "gone", I said I wanted an
estimate before proceeding further. Next thing I know,
there are speakers enroute. They claim that they sent
the originals back and presumably GB declined to
warranty the parts. There was no explanation for this,
just that they had to send the old ones back first and
because of that I could not just stop work.

They charged me $150 each for the drivers.

The serial number of the cab is 75022, if that helps
identify the age of the cabinet.

I think at this point I would be extremely gunshy
about buying any used speaker cabinet, no matter
how good the seller's reputation, or how close to
new it may be. Once your stuff is in the hands of a
pirate like this shop, you are literally helpless. They
have you by the short hairs, and they know it.

I would also like to know how they can justify charging
me the (non-necessary) bench charge for the amp
itself? I made it clear I only left it for their use in
demonstrating the problem with the cabinet (stupid
me I guess). I bought it new at the end of '07 and
presented them with my receipt for purchase.

I am quite sure that I was not over-driving the cabinet.
I pay close attention to the clipping light, and I don't
over-EQ bass. I play a passive P bass mostly, fingerstyle.
Therefore I have to consider that either it was not the right
cabinet for the amp, was abused by the previous owner,
or was somehow defective.

If this was some fly-by-night place, I guess I could
accept this reaming easier (although I tend to avoid
places that look shaky). This was the authorized factory
repair facility, and they screwed me like drywall.

I have to stop now, my blood pressure is rising again
just thinking about this.
 
the neopak 3.5 and 210t cab are a great match, you should be able to crank that combo quite well.

as stated above - if turning off the horn cured the sound problem, then the shop's diagnosis of blown speakers is very suspicious. the service dept at GB is the best - if you contact them and tell them about this, give them the cab's serial number and ask them to verify that they received the old drivers from the repair shop and ask them to verify that the old drivers were indeed blown. that may produce some interesting insights into your problem.

if those drivers were not under warranty, then i can think of no reason for GB to refuse to send new ones until the old ones are returned to them. if they' aren't under warranty, then it's a straight sale for GB, they don't need the old one's back.

i think your repair facility ripped you off. it's not at all clear that the old drivers were bad, and it's not at all clear that the GB service dept was informed about what was going on. it wouldn't surprise me if your repair shop sold the old drivers to some other unsuspecting customer.

as a service to other bass players, name the shop so no one else gets ripped off.
 
Well there's probably not much anyone can do at this point. Maybe you could file a complaint with your local BBB, maybe you can call your friend of a friend of a friend in the Mafia, but I think maybe you're better off forgetting about it and not let it eat you alive. We've all been ripped off by repairmen. At least now there's an internet you can go for advice before you take it in. Back in the day, I'd have to tell it to the wall.
 
I think maybe you're better off forgetting about it and not let it eat you alive.

and yet a few posts earlier:

Dude, I would so badmouth that guy on the internet it would make his head spin! I'd name names and I'd start a website

:eyebrow:

neither.

an authorized GB repair service will have left a paper trail of some kind. i say call the cood folks in scottsdale and tell them your situation. they'll be able to verify the claims of the repair service you've used. and if their claims can't be verified by GB, then you have a justified complaint that could perhaps be taken to small claims court.

it's not vindictive to make someone explain to your satisfaction why they've taken so much of your money, nor to hold them accountable if they've taken it illegitimately.
 
LOL! Yeah, it seems contradictory, right? But the guy already named who it was, so now the time for healing is at hand ;)

I don't know how much Jeff or Roger can squeeze a repairman in MA, either. If I'm wrong and they actually can squeeze the guy, I hope they do. But at this point, if he gets any money back, I'd consider it a bonus.
 
Well they can certainly cancel his representation of the Genz line and make sure he is NOT on the authorized service center list. At least then no one else will get hosed. Bad deal, sorry for your hassle.
 
we've been scarce on this thread by intent: since there is a third party invovled, I never want to comment until I have all the facts.

So, we did contact the amp tech to discuss this issue. They would like to speak to you about a credit. The phone number they have for you doesn't seem to be working.

Please contact Bob Doucet at 978-686-8742.

I hope this helps,
Roger