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Double Bass Is Simandl all there is???

#2
Originally posted by Big Wheel
I have practiced with the Simandl book for a while, and it occurred to me: Is there a book out there that's similar to the Simandl book but more Jazz oriented? Thanks for any info.

Will C.:cool:
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If You are Looking for more Pizz-Oriented, Jazz Bass line stuff, try Rufus Reid's "The Evolving Bassist" and "Evolving Upward".Also "The Improvisors' Bass Method"
by Chuck Sher Publishing, but that book is a bit vague-
ex.-"Now that you have the idea, make up your own lines.."
 
#3
The problem, IMO, with _Evolving Bassist_ and _Improviser's Bass Method_ is they don't really don't provide a fingering method. The point of Simandl and other traditional method books is to provide a system of fingering and shifting. There's a lot more to it than simply 1-2-4. Simandl helps solidify the positions and provides a fingering theory. The Reid and Sher books offer a lot of great jazz-oriented stuff, but it's worthless if you don't have the left hand technique to play it.

I suggest using them both as supplemental materials. Use Simandl to get your left hand happening, apply what you learn in Simandl when using the other stuff to figure out how to play jazz. To help you through the monotony of Simandl work on making it sound musical. Swing through the exercises like you're playing a walking bassline.
 
#4
Originally posted by Big Wheel
I have practiced with the Simandl book for a while, and it occurred to me: Is there a book out there that's similar to the Simandl book but more Jazz oriented?
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While not jazz oriented, the other "classic" string bass method is the Eduoard Nanny set (two volumes). I studied out of those because that's what my teacher had used when he started.

As others noted, all the jazz methods out there fall short in terms of working on fingerings.

If you're bored with Simandl's method, try adding on his "30 Etudes" which are in order to increasing complexity. These give you much more melodic stuff to work on.
 
#8
I actually find Simandl to be very dry and unmusical in general. I start all my students on the Bille books (Ricordi 261 for beginners, 263 for players with a bit more playing experience). The Bille studies, like Simandl, cover all the keys and positions but are far more musical in nature. Many of the studies are very lyrical in nature and in many ways resemble Italian operatic writing like Verdi. So in addition to learning good basic position work, the student will be encouraged to develop a real sense of phrasing. It's never too early to start working on musical details and I really feel that Bille encourages more musical playing than Simandl tends to. Simandl seems more "mechanical" in nature.

One word of warning about Bille: he employed the old Italian school method of using the third finger in place of the second. This fingering style isn't used very often anymore, so most players may find better results by changing all "3" fingerings as marked in Bille to 2nd finger.
 
#9


regarding the simandl question.

petracchi has some great left hand ideas, as well as rabbath. there is a rollez book, book 1 i think, that is made up of fun lower position exercises.
some of the stuff in these books, if not all of it and that includes simandl, can be used to try to expand on the......
...."1-2-4 three notes in a position sort of thing now lets shift to the fifth position".....however, Try 1-2-4 spanning a fourth and covering everything in between and being a "position".

Rob,

i used bille when i was beginning and seem to remember enjoying it alot more than Franz. I do find that the third finger can be used in lower positions to play the interval of a Major third (c and e across the a and d strings) with less strain than using the 2nd finger for the lower note ( c in this example). just a thought.

ake care,

curt

[Edited by curtscheschuk on 11-08-2000 at 09:56 AM]
 
#13
Originally posted by David Kaczorowski
The problem, IMO, with _Evolving Bassist_ and _Improviser's Bass Method_ is they don't really don't provide a fingering method. The point of Simandl and other traditional method books is to provide a system of fingering and shifting. There's a lot more to it than simply 1-2-4. Simandl helps solidify the positions and provides a fingering theory. The Reid and Sher books offer a lot of great jazz-oriented stuff, but it's worthless if you don't have the left hand technique to play it.

I suggest using them both as supplemental materials. Use Simandl to get your left hand happening, apply what you learn in Simandl when using the other stuff to figure out how to play jazz. To help you through the monotony of Simandl work on making it sound musical. Swing through the exercises like you're playing a walking bassline.
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I think I have just discovered this - I've been trying to work though "Evolving Bassist" and I keep finding myself thinking - how am I going to play this - what fingering?

I am finding I don't have as much time as I need to keep in practice on both BG and DB - I only bought an EUB recently and I will have to "get serious" soon, but am struggling for practice time.

I suppose I need to get my fingerings "right" - I do find that I can use fingerings from BG on my EUB - but maybe I shouldn't as there are some big stretches? I just am trying to put off going back to basics - well I have never learnt Simandl so it will be starting afresh!

But I would like something more Jazz-oriented with fingerings!
 
#14
I'm thanking my lucky stars that I started out with a teacher using Simandl on the EBG and just had to make the adjustment to longer scale when I started studying the DB. The Simandl 30 etudes are more musical though targeted for arco playing. Another book that looks good, I've just picked it up to look through it as I write this message, is "Jazz Bass Compendium" by Sigi Busch.
 
#15
This book is good and can be used in tandem with Simandl as it uses the same positions/fingerings etc. It just came out a couple of years ago.

Intonation Plus by Len Berryman

A comprehensive method for the jazz double bass player - is this books subtitle. This book focuses on exercises, text, pictures to develop good technique for playing in tune, a most difficult objective on this instrument. Covers positions, right hand fingering technique, playing with a bow, major scale positions, vibrato, blues.
 

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