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Short scale shoot-out

I was recently in the market for a new, low-cost short scale bass. Luckily, the music store I went to had a good selection of them to choose from: Squier Bronco, Squier Jaguar Bass SS, Squier Mustang Bass, Gretsch Junior Jet and an Epiphone Allen Woody. I tried them all back-to-back through the same amp, a Traynor TB50; just a small, no-frills solid state amp, with the EQ left flat so I could get a good sense of the sound of the basses without any coloration. I played the same simple rock/blues riffs on all of them. I have given the prices as shown before taxes, in Canadian dollars. Here's what I found:

Bronco ($150): Had the weakest output, and the thinnest sound of the lot. Felt and looked cheap.

Jaguar ($200): For $50 more, it's a HUGE step up! It had the highest perceived output (from the P-bass pickup) and the fullest sound of the group. Had what I felt to be the nicest neck (splitting hairs here). Has the option of more sounds with a versatile P/J combo. Slight neck dive.

Mustang ($280): Nice sounding pickup, seemed slightly punchier and thinner than the Jaguar (marginally), and without any real tonal options. String-thru bridge, so needs medium scale strings...perhaps this equates to more sustain(?). No neck dive. Nice looking instrument.

Gretsch Junior Jet ($300): Alright sound and output, but for a single pickup instrument, I liked the sound and feel of the Mustang better.

Epi Allen Woody: ($480): Unique sound from the others, due to pickup placement and chambered body: very deep, void of highs. Nice neck and a beautiful instrument. Obviously, a bit pricier than the others.

...and I went with (*drum roll*) the Jaguar Bass! (I got the red one...looks great!) I found it to be the best value, with the nicest neck, and with the best compliment of sounds for my type of playing. (I'm really surprised at how much I'm enjoying having the J-bass bridge pickup...opens up all kinds of new sonic possibilities). Again, a slight neck dive is present, but this is easily fixed. I enjoyed playing them all (except the Bronco). Cheers.
 
Being another owned of a CAR SS Jag, I can say that great minds think alike. I also agree with your assessment of the Bronco. However, playing a Bronce is what convinced me that I am a short scale kind of guy.

I also own an Epipone Viola (If you don't know what that is, think Hofner Beatle bass with Jazz Bass controls.) that I bought last September when I was convinced that Fender or Squier would not come up with something between the Bronco (too cheap) and Mustang (too expensive for a hobbiest like me). I did write them a letter asking for just such a bass.

I liked the neck on the Bronco, but the sound did nothing for me. The looks did even less for me. Then again, I've played in at least one room where the lights play all kinds of havoc with single coil pickups.

To put it mildly, I was thrilled to see the announcement for the SS Jag. I got mine mail order, but aside from the strings being tuned a 1/2 step low, I don't see how it could have been any better.

Enjoy!
 
I bought a Bronco, used it for 6 months, played a better bass, and realized how terrible it sounded. It really needs an upgrade, feels great in the hands though. I haven't seen the Mustang for purchase anywhere, could someone link me?
 
Yeah, my first bass was a Bronco as well. I am a guitarist primarily and needed a bass for recording projects, so I went short-scale to ease the transition. I thought it was alright, only because I had nothing other to compare it to. Then, I got into gigging with live bands and needed something better. I made the leap to full-scale with a Fender P!! I LOVED the sound, but never really got used to the scale. Now, I feel like I have the best of both worlds with this Jag....and then some, due to the addition of the bridge pickup! Some full-scale elitists will always dismiss SS as a toy or a kids instrument, or will cite technical issues such as the reduction in harmonic overtones or whatever....who cares. To me, its sounds great and is easier to play, especially when I'm jumping back and forth with my acoustic guitar.
 
I will also mention that the Traynor TB50 is the same amp that I have at home. It's no frills for sure, but gets the job done and is tough as nails....although the somewhat sterile, solid state sound is uninspiring at times. Perhaps there is a tube emulator or preamp in my future...
 
Haha, i've owned MIA Fenders and US G&Ls... Fender Mustangs and Fender Musicmasters... and my main gig bass is a Bronco. Modded... but a Bronco, none the less ;)


Anyone shopping for a shortscale: I strongly encourage you to look into the SX ss Jaguar. I personally preffered the SX Jaguar, stock, to the Squier Jaguar by a good margin.
 
Hello. First post so a quick intro. I play a bit of guitar, live on a narrowboat in the west midlands of the uk. Been toying with the idea of getting a bass to noodle about on and maybe jam with some workmates. Like most guitarists the idea of a short scale is appealing and to be honest, might be advantageous living on the canal. (think living in a corridor if you have no knowledge of narrowboats).
So, following the squier mod jag ss thread, I'm pretty certain that's where I'm headed but apart from the short scales mentioned previously in this thread, should I be aware of other makes and models?
Many thanks.
 
@AntAir267: Where are you located? They have been in stores here in the Hamilton, Ontario area for a couple of weeks now. I would be surprised if they're not available online on sites like Musician's Friend, ZZounds, etc. now or very shortly.

I'm in AZ, but I suspect Guitar Center won't sell them until Christmas. I guess that works out since I won't have any money until then.
 
So, following the squier mod jag ss thread, I'm pretty certain that's where I'm headed but apart from the short scales mentioned previously in this thread, should I be aware of other makes and models?
Many thanks.

Already mentioned in this thread:

Epiphone Allen Woody
Epiphone Viola VS
Gretsch G2202 Junior Jet
Squier Bronco
Squier VM Jag SS
Squier VM Mustang
SX Jaguar short scale

Not mentioned:

Brice AL (Rondo Music)
Danelectro 56 Single Cut
Dean EVO XM
Douglas WVEB Violin (Rondo Music)
Epihone EB-0
Gretsch G2210 Junior Jet (available soon)
Gretsch G2220 Junior Jet II (available soon)
Hofner Icon Vintage
Ibanez ARTB100
Ibanez Artcore AFB200
Ibanez Artcore AGB200
Ibanez GARTB20
Ibanez Micro
Rogue VB100

There are others, like the Gibson Thunderbird short scale & Les Paul Jr., various Hofners, Fender Mustang, etc., that I didn't mention because of their price - if you're looking at a Jag shorty, you're probably not interested in dropping 2k on a Gretsch Electrotone. But there are other short scales out there, and my list is not meant to be exhaustive.



I'm in AZ, but I suspect Guitar Center won't sell them until Christmas. I guess that works out since I won't have any money until then.

If it makes you feel any better, my local GC doesn't have any VM Mustangs (or Fender Blacktop basses) in the store either. They are available online, though.
 
I own 3 of the 4 basses mentioned by the OP:

Gretsch G2202 Junior Jet
Squier Bronco
Squier VM Jag SS

I can't argue with his evaluation, although I don't find the tactile differences between the Bronco and Jag that he did. To me, they feel essentially identical with the Jag having perhaps a slightly slimmer neck at the nut. Both the Jag and Bronco have a satin finish on the neck that's very pleasant to my hand.

I bought the Bronco to mod it, and it has a Gretsch 2202 pickup in it - one of my favorite pickups of all time. Not surprisingly, the 2202 and the Bronco sound similar, although not identical.

I can take any of the them to any gig and be happy with them - they all play beautifully and sound great.

Incidentally, I also own these short or medium scales:

Gretsch 5123 hollowbody, 32"
Gibson EB-0, 30"
Univox 335-copy hollowbody, 30"
DeArmond Jetstar, 32"

From a sound quality viewpoint, I consider them to be fully interchangeable with any of my 34" basses, including my '63 P.
 
No one has mentioned the Rickenbacker 3000! I bought one of these in NYC in '03, a 1976 model, and did a couple of recordings with it, a really cool bass. I'm definitely a long scale person.. which is why I sold it, and why I'm selling my beautiful '62 EB0 if anyone's interested?!
 
I'm jealous! Where did you find one?

Easy - they're still around in Guitar centers, $799. Go to a GC and if they don't have one, they can probably get you one from another GC. IMO a great value with two Thundertron pickups.

I know the GC in Fort Collins, CO has one...saw it last week.

Gretsch eye candy:

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Not mentioned:

Brice AL (Rondo Music)
Danelectro 56 Single Cut
Dean EVO XM
Douglas WVEB Violin (Rondo Music)
Epihone EB-0
Gretsch G2210 Junior Jet (available soon)
Gretsch G2220 Junior Jet II (available soon)

Hofner Icon Vintage
Ibanez ARTB100
Ibanez Artcore AFB200
Ibanez Artcore AGB200
Ibanez GARTB20
Ibanez Micro
Rogue VB100

Wow! I didn't know that Gretsch were coming out with these! I have been wanting to try out a G2202 for ages but could never find anywhere that stocked them! :hyper:

It's a shame that they've gone for a natural finish on the neck though. It's not quite as sexy to me...
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My single pickup Gretsch 2202 Electromatic Jr. Jet has a black-finished neck.

My double pickup Gretsch 1222 has a natural finished neck.

I have no idea what the reason is, other than they are probably different ages. But I heard about the new Jr. Jet basses, and I've read one positive review. Hopefully they're as great-sounding as the previous series.