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0 latency with a pc?

#22
I think that if you want to get serious about recording on the PC, then you will need to get a mixer and I recommend going no lower than a Mackie 1402vlz. Then just do your monitoring of what you are playing from the mixer, before it even goes into the PC. This way, latency does not become an issue at all.
 
#24
Originally posted by cephas45
yes, when I was using the Quattro, I set it up so that the latency would be as high as possible. that way, there was no possible way I would get pops and clicks while recording and during playback. the reason why this worked, is because of the 'direct monitor' feature on the unit. even though i raised the latency to its max level, what i heard while tracking was the equivalent of what "0 latency" would sound like. i don't believe any of M-Audio's gear can do this, besides the Duo. no contest IMO...
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Wrong, pretty much any ASIO 2.0 card offers zero latency monitoring.
All M-Audio Delta cards have this feature, including the Audiophile.

Check your facts...
 
#25
hmm. i have my Quattro sitting right in front of me, and it doesn't support ASIO 2.0, but it does have a 'direct monitoring' feature which can make it seem like 0 latency. i have no idea about other M-Audio cards, and i never claimed to. i stated my experience was with the Quattro. the Quattro is a standalone USB device, not a regular PCI based sound card. i don't know the technical specs, but when i go to the multimedia setup in device options in Nuendo, the ASIO 2.0 thing is grayed out, so i assume it doesn't support this feature... on the other hand, my nuendo 9652 card doesn't have that box grayed out, so i can choose to use that feature. i've never tried any other M-Audio stuff, but from what i hear, the delta thing you mentioned is supposed to sound pretty good. i'm pretty much sold on the RME/Nuendo stuff at this point :)
 
#27
Originally posted by harley_ou812
I have a mixer. Monitoring what I am playing is not the problem I can deal with that it is hearing what is already recorded and recording new tracks that will match up with that.
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I have the same problem with my iBoo and ProTools free and a Griffin iMic. I can monitor my playing just fine - it's the lag from the prerecorded stuff on the hard drive that's killing me.

Any hints?
 
#29
I got a midisport 2x2 by midiman(now M-audio) I used it on my pc at home, and there was a notable 1/2 second - full second of lag in absynth.
then I plugged it into my iMac upstairs(statistically a slower computer with a worse soundcard) and it had no noticable lag at all in absynth.

just thought I should chime in as a mac user :cool:
 
#30
Ok, so I figured out a way to get around the latency in my iBook/iMic/Protools free setup.

I'm using my trusty old Tascam 244 as a mixer, and I use the audio output from the iMic and run it into the 4 track. I also plug in whatever instrument I'm playing into the 4 track.

I then only send the track I'm playing on to the aux send or tape bus. I send that signal back through the iMic into the iBook.

I'm essentailly playing with the delayed signal from the iBook and recording only what I'm playing. So far it seems to work pretty well.
 
#31
Pick out your software first! I use and love Cubase SX. Steinberg website offers a full list of tested sound cards / interfaces with the results of each. Stienberg uses an algorithm which will shift your incoming signal (overdub) to match the playback. Most high end recording software does this. If your group is really going places and can afford it I suggest using the Alesis HD24 for actual recording. Very portable and accurate. You can then transfer your recorded files via ethernet to your computer for mix down and mastering.

Check out Invalid Link Removed for forums on recording. That crew is great!
 
#32
Originally posted by Wrong Robot
I got a midisport 2x2 by midiman(now M-audio) I used it on my pc at home, and there was a notable 1/2 second - full second of lag in absynth.
then I plugged it into my iMac upstairs(statistically a slower computer with a worse soundcard) and it had no noticable lag at all in absynth.

just thought I should chime in as a mac user :cool:
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No wonder you got lag - the midisport is MIDI ONLY!!!!!!!!!
NO AUDIO AT ALL!!!!
You probably used the onboard POS soundchip with MME drivers.

You should know what you're talking about when you bash something :rolleyes:
 
#33
Originally posted by harley_ou812
Alright I think I should explain my goals with this. I want to be able to record demos a track at a time on my pc. I dont know how much latency I can get away with but I know the less the better. I am looking for a fairly cheap way for me to do this. If I record drum parts now then listen to them to record bass I will have about a second difference and that is a BIG problem. I thank you for all that have replied so far. Also I am looking at being able to record 2 tracks at a time. Not a hard feet to record a left and a right but I dont need to re able to record 8 tracks at a time. It would be nice biut for the level I am doing it would be almost a waste of money.

Thank you
Jared
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Why not just record it like you are, and then use your multitracking software to slide the tracks so they line up properly? It's a real pain, but it works with slower systems if you just need a few tracks, one at a time.
 
#34
Hi Guys, sorry to reopen this old thread but I am suffering with the dreaded latency. I have a usb quattro that I am using with a 4 yr old sony laptop PII 750Mhz ans cant get below about 40ms latency which is annoying. I am using cakewalk home studio and I have set quattro to windows MME drivers as I dont think cakewalk supports Asio?

Am I correct in thinking that, with my setup, if I got some new software that supports asio things would be much better? At the moment I am 'blaming' the quattro!!

Steve
 
#35
JMX is right on, however I have found that my Delta 1010's using WDM drivers in W2K/SP4 work very will (Intel P4 2.6GHz, DB845PEBT2 512MB RAM, Matrox G550 video). It is impossible to acheive "0" latency, just like getting matter to move at the speed of light, but 3ms is below the threshold of human perception so make that value your target. USB v1.1 will not get you there, no matter WHAT you do -that bus is too slow! I never worked w/USB v2, but I have been told that firewire can deliver the goods in time...

addendum - I do use an MAudio Duo USB interface, and I like it a lot, but it just doesn't cut it for multitracking. I got it for stereo recording in the field, not overdubbing. It also does a good job as a stereo A/D converter hooked up to S/PDIF...
 
#37
Fulcrum, you're killing me! yeah, wherever there's a distance from here to there, a time lag will be present. Even the fastest bus in existance (which I think is now PCI-X) will exhibit latency. We are all after that "point of imperception". ASIO, Kernel mode WDM, GSIF are all technologies that get us closer to the Holy Grail of ZERO.
BTW, if saying Die doesn't do the trick, next time try saying NI! it works for me...
 

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