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19mm EBMM 5 string: fact / fiction?

#101
lordradish said:
We are entitled to custom basses. There are plenty of options. We're not entitled to have a company that has made its money primarily on a quality, standard mass-produced bass to make us one. I'd love a Stingray 6, but I'm not complaining, 'Well, they made the Bongo, why won't they do an SR6?" C'mon.

Seriously, the entitlement issues some people get over things, I will never understand. Sterling doesn't owe you anything.
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Where is the entitlement? From the company that made the Big Al - flop, Reflex - flop, Gamechanger - expensive flop, Caprice - flop, can produce a short scale bass that will sell in small numbers, but when customers want 19mm spaced 5 strings they're treated like they're being outrageous. Sterling doesn't owe anyone anything, but likewise, customers can choose what they want and don't want. EBMM makes a nice product, so the frustration is that they won't listen to the market and continue to put out other products that will only be around for a year or two, it's mind boggling. But, in reality, EBMM is now a guitar company.
 
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#102
lordradish said:
I don't play with a pick, or play punk... when I do play rock, it's prog rock, and I play funk and jazz. I generally don't play simple stuff. Nothing has been held back by the spacing. Feels perfect to me. I think it's about personal preference, and to a degree, adaptability. Some people are incredibly adaptable, others can't adapt to anything other than what they started with.
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Is everyone the same?
 
#104
MultiScaleMale said:
Where is the entitlement? From the company that made the Big Al - flop, Reflex - flop, Gamechanger - expensive flop, Caprice - flop, can produce a short scale bass that will sell in small numbers, but when customers want 19mm spaced 5 strings they're treated like they're being outrageous. Sterling doesn't owe anyone anything, but likewise, customers can choose what they want and don't want. EBMM makes a nice product, so the frustration is that they won't listen to the market and continue to put out other products that will only be around for a year or two, it's mind boggling. But, in reality, EBMM is now a guitar company.
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The entitlement comes from people insisting on things they really have no say in.
 
#106
lordradish said:
The entitlement comes from people insisting on things they really have no say in.
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Insisting or asking? I guess you lean heavily towards the supply side of economic theory. Anyways, nobody is standing outside Big Poppa's house holding signs and chanting all night. They just want 19mm spacing and aren't buying 17.5mm StingRays. EBMM thinks it's not worth it to serve that market demand, fine. They go elsewhere.
 
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#107
lowdownthump said:
I think the narrow spacing might work better for some players who use a pick or play mostly rock or punk style with a lot of up and down or just down strokes.
For some that play mostly finger style , slap, and do a lot of runs up and down and across the neck , the wider spacing is actually faster. Double thumb technique also benefits from wider spacing.
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My double thumb technique would benefit from me actually getting good at it!:smug:
 
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#108
spade2you said:
So is Hartley Peavey, but you don't see people defend him to the hilt.

I'm equally perplexed that the EBMM fans are so against other people having custom options. 17mm or less seems so late 80's. ;) I'm a small dude and I like 19mm on a 5 string for slap.

There was a recent 7 string run that featured a different bridge, which obviously required retooling.
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oh yeah forgot to add Hartley, another ahat my money will never go to.
 
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#109
lordradish said:
We are entitled to custom basses. There are plenty of options. We're not entitled to have a company that has made its money primarily on a quality, standard mass-produced bass to make us one. I'd love a Stingray 6, but I'm not complaining, 'Well, they made the Bongo, why won't they do an SR6?" C'mon.

Seriously, the entitlement issues some people get over things, I will never understand. Sterling doesn't owe you anything.
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Personally, I do not think EBMM owes me anything except quality products and service when I buy their goods. There are still bad feelings about how Sterling Ball handled the suggestion of a wide spaced Stingray. I will always think such a bass would be a great thing, but I will enjoy playing bass whether he follows TB suggestions or not.
 
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#111
eastcoasteddie said:
They should try it again because these days EBMM is making a lot of viable production run instruments in numbers much smaller than that - like 26 Cliff Williams Icon Series basses....for $7000 each.
(Yes, all proceeds are donated to charity...but really, who is actually doing the donating...?)

I honestly don’t think Sterling wanted to do it. His stance has usually been “if you don’t like how we build instruments, don’t buy them”
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I recall he said the same thing about requests for carbon fiber rods in the necks.
 
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MultiScaleMale said:
Insisting or asking? I guess you lean heavily towards the supply side of economic theory. Anyways, nobody is standing outside Big Poppa's house holding signs and chanting all night. They just want 19mm spacing and aren't buying 17.5mm StingRays. EBMM thinks it's not worth it to serve that market demand, fine. They go elsewhere.
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I did go elsewhere. His company his rules; and my money, my rules which was 19mm spacing for a 5-string. Found another company willing to accommodate. I was an EBMM customer previously, and purchased one of their 4-string basses.
 
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#116
I briefly owned a standard SR5 and disliked it for numerous reasons.
The "Classic" SR5 model (with the egg shaped pickguard & 2-band EQ) appeals to me more. (Could probably get over the narrow spacing if the sound & feel were right and the low B was really together.)
I notice that Classic model doesn't seem to be very widely available anymore.
I am starting to think that my pref's might be very far out of sync with those of the new-bass-buying masses.
 
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#118
BigBigGuy44 said:
I don’t understand all of the butt hurt in this thread. TB had the opportunity for a 19mm Stingray 5 and blew it. Make all the excuses you want. Bottom line is if everyone who supposedly really wanted one would have actually really wanted one, it would have been made.
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Were you around for the "offer"? It was obviously designed to fail so that Big Poppa could declare himself correct. Not everyone can come up with $2k or whatever it was in a two week time frame. Dealers were not permitted to purchase, and when the sales pitch is, "Ok, you asked for it, now put up or shut up", it really doesn't give you the warm and fuzzies. It would have been much better if they just said, "We do not plan to make a 19mm because we feel that the market isn't there given initial production costs and we're selling all of the 17.5mm spaced basses that we make. Thank you for your suggestions." Instead, it was a big middle finger. But again, EBMM sell guitars and some basses now. Until Petrucci goes out of style.
 
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