• TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
    Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
    Join freeLog in
    Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.

2 Charvels or Not 2 Charvels. Is that a question?

So ever since they came out a few years ago I've always wanted one of the Charvel Pro-Mod San Dimas PJs in Mystic Blue.

I played two different examples at shops over the years. One at Nashville Used Music had pretty good fit & finish but it needed a setup BAD, and I wasn't quite sure that truss rod tweaking alone would get it to where I wanted it. It also had some deep dings on the bottom rim where some dope had mishandled it prior, and it suffered from a preamp with just a little more than normal self-noise or a lack of grounding. I showed them the dings and asked if they would come off the price a bit and they wouldn't even take $10 off the $1k price. Back on the wall it went.

Later I played a blue one at Guitar Center in Nashville and it was a great player but needed a fair bit of attention to the fret end finishing and was already cracked on both sides of the neck pocket in that little spot where Fenders frequently crack. Passed again.

Well, it looks like Sweetwater is trying to get rid of them now (I had already missed them at $650-700 at Franklin Guitar Works on Reverb), dropping the price to 899, and another 10% off Fender stuff, so $810. They had one blue one left. I called on Friday an asked if they could come down any further on the price, and brobeans got it to $789. Fair enough. I placed the order, but asked them to hold it until Tuesday so the bass didn't sit in a freezing trailer through the weekend snow storm that blew through. I picked Tuesday to ship so that any backlog in freight from the weekend would hopefully have a chance to work itself out. Cool. All good.

1736825978285.png



Well... Sunday afternoon my buddy sent me this deal he saw at Adorama:


1736826015183.png


DADGUM! $500!!!! And ONLY for this color. :/ I've owned three pearl white cars, and after blue/green tones, it's my next favorite paint finish. What was I supposed to do?! I HAD to order it!

So now I have two Charvels on the way to my house. I'm assuming these are being discontinued and we'll see something new to take their place from Fender/Charvel at NAMM.

Sunday evening, after I ordered the platinum pearl San Dimas, I thought about just settling for the white and canceling the blue one from Sweetwater before it ships, saving nearly $300... but then I thought about the experiences with the two examples I had played. I decided to leave both orders as-is and just wait to see what shows up. If they are both excellent, GREAT! I'll keep them both. If both are turds, I'll send both back.

But if one is clearly better than the other (meaning one has issues I can't quickly remediate and the other doesn't) then I will send the worst offender back and keep the other. I don't normally like doing stuff like this... with very rare exception if I buy something it's with the intent to keep it even if I'm not thrilled with it, unless it's just grossly defective or absolutely awful. Facebook marketplace is there for salvaging the rest of my poor decisions, haha! We'll see what shakes out, and I'll report back when they arrive.
 
Congrats on double NBD! If both of them are awesome, I would put rounds on one and flats on the other. Or maybe tune one in standard and the other in D Standard or another alternative tuning.
Thanks! That's a great idea! I haven't done the 2 different tunings yet. That could actually come in super handy with my cover band. Tomorrow we're starting on adding bunch of new songs, and there a couple where I'm going to have to address some alternate tunings. This could be a great solution.

I did the flats/rounds thing with a pair of Fender Japan Hybrid II Jazzes. :) The one on the right now wears the Ernie Ball Group 2.5 flats. It's a lot of fun having both flavors of string on the same bass!

1736827361871.png
 
Thanks! That's a great idea! I haven't done the 2 different tunings yet. That could actually come in super handy with my cover band. Tomorrow we're starting on adding bunch of new songs, and there a couple where I'm going to have to address some alternate tunings. This could be a great solution.

I did the flats/rounds thing with a pair of Fender Japan Hybrid II Jazzes. :) The one on the right now wears the Ernie Ball Group 2.5 flats. It's a lot of fun having both flavors of string on the same bass!

View attachment 7123696
You're so welcome! I got the inspiration from my 2 Rickenbackers. The one in my avatar has rounds and my other one has flats. Both are featured on my new album that's dropping on Friday!

As for tunings, all my basses are in D Standard (D1-G1-C2-F2). I played in standard tuning for almost 15 years before switching. I like that I have access to the low D and Eb, the resonant low open D1 string, and the open G1 string. Plus, playing in keys like F, G, Bb, and C are much easier in D Standard. For more info, come join us at the D Standard Club!
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: musicman556
I love my San Dimas, especially the feel of the neck and could definitely justify getting another one but with different pickups. Maybe the 5 String JJ. (Same with Schecter Stiletto Studio) If the main physical part of the bass feels good that is what is important, you always use different electronics and strings to get different sounds from each.

If they do replace these I hope they keep the necks feel, bodies and flashy colors and maybe just update the electronics. These are pretty much just better and slightly cheaper versions of the Deluxe Active P.
 
Last edited:
The necks on these basses are really phenomenal. I have one on a Warmoth dinky P body and it’s one of the best necks I own. Congrats!
Awesome! Yea, that's a big part of why I'm grabbing them. I have one bass I made using a Fender roasted maple P neck, but I'm just not wild about it. Depending on how things go, I might swap over a San Dimas neck onto that bass, put the Fender J neck on whichever San Dimas (probably the white one) and maybe sell that one off as a mutt. ☺️

This is fun... the Adorama bass shipped from Chattanooga, just about an hour from my place in Smyrna. UPS got it last night and it's on the delivery truck to me now. Nice!

1736870346787.png


The Sweetwater bass has a label created but has not been picked up by FedEx yet. I'll expect that one Thursday. Things are usually a 2 day delivery to me from SW, but every now and then I get surprised with a next day delivery. That would be nice!
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: beatdatthang
I've been looking for a black P bass with PJs and a maple fretboard, and keep trying these. Amazing necks, and a good mod platform. Only thing holding me back is the lack (?) of a tone control in passive mode.
Allegedly they don't actually have a passive mode, I've heard a few people online claim the blend control is active which is why the bass won't work without a battery. But I can't confirm or deny it. It would explain why they don't have a tone control in passive mode though, since it would require slightly more complicated pots and wiring to implement a passive tone and active blend that works as intended.

A passive to e would add quite a bit though since the treble controls center frequency is too high to really sound similar to a passive tone at all.
 
Last edited:
Allegedly they don't actually have a passive mode, I've heard a few people online claim the blend control is active which is why the bass won't work without a battery. But I can't confirm or deny it. It would explain why they don't have a tone control in passive mode though, since it would require slightly more complicated pots and wiring to implement a passive tone and active blend that works as intended.

A passive to e would add quite a bit though since the treble controls center frequency is too high to really sound similar to a passive tone at all.
Interesting! I'll test the no-battery passive operation question out when mine arrives and report back. I should be getting the white one this afternoon.

Curious about the "blend control" being discussed in the same breath. The active/passive on/off should just be the pull/push of the volume knob, having nothing to do with the rotation of the pickup blend knob. I had an MTD Kingston Super 5 and still have my Fender Jino signature and Fender Elemental basses that employ that type of active/passive switch. The Fenders are both Japanese/MIJ models employing an 18v pre, however. I don't think that's related at all to the preamp in the MIM Charvels. :) In these 3 cases, I believe the passive mode offers no tone control whatsoever.

It's an interesting thought. On active basses, I generally think about passive modes as simply fall-back options to get you through the gig successfully if the battery dies. At that point, I would address lack of tone controls on the bass either at my outboard preamp if running direct, or at the amp EQ if using traditional amplification. It wouldn't be ideal, but would work.
 
Last edited:
Pretty much how mine works is that pulling the pot disables the EQ, and maybe removes a tiny smidge of brightness but not to the extent I would think it does. Well at least with the EQ at unity gain, if you crank the gain trimpot for the EQ it gives a bigger brightness boost when activated to my ears. (And I think the gain is cranked stock) The blend at 50/50 also doesn't give too drastic a scoop like on some basses, I really like it's sound, though I don't feel like the taper is great. So it kind of makes me think it might be a fully active bass.

I kind of get where they were going with the electronics, the bass is supposed to be thick and hot, so avoiding the scoop of the passive blend and having a switchable EQ as an extra boost and/or bright switch makes sense.
 
  • Like
Reactions: musicman556
Alright, the white one arrived. I'm always a little irked when someone ships a bass in nothing but it's retail carton. I dunno... maybe I expect too much. I do understand that good boxes aren't cheap, and I DID essentially get this thing at close to dealer cost.

1736887309084.png


1736887348213.png


The good news: Thankfully it seems the bass experienced no major impact or damage in transit, and fit & finish seems good/great all around. This bass was not previously inspected or taken out of its factory foam-sheet baggie. I wiped some little chunks of buffing compound out of the cutaways and the lower rim. Neck looks good and straight.

The bummer: the fret sprout is REAL on this one. To be fair, it did just get shipped in some of the driest, coldest weather that this part of the country sees. At the same time, roasted maple is SUPPOSED to be a bit more stable and not as prone to this. In over 40 new basses so far, this is probably top 3 in worst fret sprout I've experienced. It's past the point of playable at the moment, so I don't have any feedback on playing or electronics. I'm going to wait for the blue one to show up tomorrow and see if it's in a similar state before I make a trip to Brian at The LowEnd Bass Shop for remedy.

I'm 99% sure the bass is a keeper regardless. Everything else seems good so far. Later tonight I'll plug it up and verify the electronics.
 
This reminds me of my Vintera P basses. Bought one used from GC and the next week Amazon had them for less than half price! I now own a green one and a red one. I really hate seeing posts like this because I already have a blue one but a white one would kick @ss! :bored: :thumbsdown: Oh, BTW, I did have to shield it thoroughly but now it's one of my quietest (and fiercest) basses.

BBB
 
  • Like
Reactions: musicman556

Latest posts