4 1x12's?

[Fawkes007]

What do you all think of that idea? Specifically, I am thinking of two Bergie HT/EX stacks, 1000w stereo power amp and a pre. Do you all think that will give me enough air moving and headroom to play in a metal band?

Or should I just shut my mouth and buy an SVT?

Thanks.

 

[Shindig]

IMO if you've already got a couple Bergie 12's it makes sense. But if you don't, I'd suggest going with a couple of the large Schroeder cabs. Keep the 1000 watt amp (you'll need it). Just my 2 cents.

 

[svtb15]

I run 4 Aguilar GS112's. I use either a 72 svt, svtII or a carvin b1500.... i like the 4 single 12s since it is modular and i can bring 1 or 4 cabs depending on the volume i need..

 

[Blues Cat]

I run 4 Aguilar GS112's. I use either a 72 svt, svtII or a carvin b1500.... i like the 4 single 12s since it is modular and i can bring 1 or 4 cabs depending on the volume i need..

Pics?

 

[bassman blue]

i think it's a great idea. i have two epifani ul-112's now and am thinking of adding two more. the bergs are great cabs and four of them will move plenty of air for you.

 

[svtb15]

Pics?

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here they are with my Carvin dcm1500 and alembic f2b preamp.. i have a gig where i will use all 4 this week and i may bring the b1500 head on that one and i will post then... the blue bass is my Alleva copplo 5 anf the red is my sadowsky pj5

 

[cb56]

Cool, I've been wanting to see pictures of svtb15's rig for awhile now. I don't know why, I just wanted to.
A couple of questions if you don't mind. How is that Carvin b1500 holding up to regular gigging at 2ohms no problems? Also I'm using 3 GS112s stacked vertically. The main reason is to get one of the speakers higher up so I can hear myself on stage. Do you have any problems with hearing yourself on stage while blowing everyone in the audience away? The reason I ask is that the GS112's are kind of short.
Anyway just so my post isn't a total thred highjack I will say to Fawkes007 that since you already have two 112 cabs that yeah I think 4 would work just fine. Plus you can always just bring one cab to practice or two cabs for smaller gigs etc....

 

[svtb15]

I’m sorry but the picture was taken before I got my b1500. I also do what you do and that is using 3 GS112s because it seems to be plenty for almost all gigs and I also stack them vertically for (1). I can hear it better and (2) i think it sounds better vertically as compared to a cube 2x2 setup.
When I use 4 tall it looks like when i was a kid and wanted to have a rig that goes over my head... but I really do think it has a more focused sound.. and less boom... when they are vertical...
when I take pics with the Carvin b1500 and my SVT heads I will post them.. for me it is easier to move 3 or 4 small cabs than 1 big one. And my gigging car is a Honda CRX and all 4 cabs fit in the hatch with enough room for my 4 space rack bag.

 

[svtb15]

I think someone asked for a pic of my 4aggys with my SVT2.. here it is on a coporate gig today
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[SteveC]

I've got one HT112, 3 more to go.

 

[svtb15]

I really need to try a bergie cab... I did get to try an IP cab in Austin at bass emporium and was really floored by it.. I think they whave ay more clarity than my Aggy cabs.. I would like to do an AB test between the two.. I like the bottom that these aggy have. to be honest I can easliy get by with 2 aggy gs112 cabs.. but sometime i want to feel my pant flap i throw up 4.. the SVT2 sound very full with that setup...

 

[perrytelephone]

Hey SVT your setup intrigues me, do you have any pictures of the back of your rig to show how it's set up. Or could you please tell me how you have the cabs setup to the carvin.

 

[svtb15]

Hey SVT your setup intrigues me, do you have any pictures of the back of your rig to show how it's set up. Or could you please tell me how you have the cabs setup to the carvin.

Sure.. my gear is packed away right now.. I will get at it tomorrow and try to take a pic for you.. it is messy though.
Basically on the Carvin head setup either the B1500 or the DCM1500 and Alembic Preamp is the same wiring. If i stack the cabs
2x2... I run the 2 Speakon Nutrik type cables from the 2 speakon connectors on the back of the Carvin B1500 the top cab of each mini stack then jump with 1/4 inch speaker cables to the 2 bottom cabs..
when i used my Ampeg SVTII head like today .. the Ampeg is the older nonpro version and does not have the speakon type connectors only 1/4 inch out.. So i run 1/4 inch out to the top cabs then jump the top cab to the bottom cabs with my speakon cables...
either way works fine for me... .The Carvin B1500 has Four 1/4 inch speaker outs also 2 speakon types , so if you wanted to, you could use only 1/4 inch speaker cables or the speakon type... then with the carvin head i use and ashley compressor... and that i just run with minimal copression and put it in the effects loop.. there is a switch on the front of the carvin that allows you to turn the effects loop on or off... sometimes i use the comp and sometimes i dont... the lights look pretty though.
I like the aggy cabs but i would love to try single 12" bergantinos...with those heads.. I rarely need all 4.. that is pretty loud , 2 of them do a real nice job depending on the room.. I hope i was of help to you.. I will try to get to my amp and take a pic tomorrow.. and post it.. i warn you . it is not pretty in the back of the 4 space...

 

[Stanley Design]

I'd stack it with the cabs two high, two wide. Have the rack on top. put two 2 foot speaker cables from the power amp to either stack, then two 2 footers from those daisy chaining the ones below. Just like mentioned above but I'd use nutrik speakons all round and make sure they are short as I said to keep it tidy.

Or you could put it all stacked on top of each other. But you'd need one cable longer than 2ft.

 

[IvanMike]

i am in favor of the idea.

i use 4 cabs, two bag end 1x15, and two bag end 1x12. I dont always use all four, only for loud gigs or big outdoor ones. The setup sounds best stacked vertically, but i have used it in two side by side stacks. The former gives better clarity but can be a bit disconcerting with a cab next to your head, the latter looks a bit "cooler" and has a bit more apparrent low end due to phase cancellation of mids & highs.

IMO, the modular setup is the way to go. bring as many cabs as you need to any gig.

 

[svtb15]

I'd stack it with the cabs two high, two wide. Have the rack on top. put two 2 foot speaker cables from the power amp to either stack, then two 2 footers from those daisy chaining the ones below. Just like mentioned above but I'd use nutrik speakons all round and make sure they are short as I said to keep it tidy.

Or you could put it all stacked on top of each other. But you'd need one cable longer than 2ft.

i would love to use nutrik speakons on all cabs except for one major problem...the Aguilar cabs only have one nutrik speakon per cab.. so unless you drill the plate and install another nutrik speakon per cab the only way to daisy chain is to go 1/4 inch since 2 of those are provided per cab.
I like stacking them 4 high.. they seem to have more clarity that way.. but if i want mojo ragae bass it is 2x2 instead of 1x4.

 

[Larry Kaye]

I've used three cabinets at one time several times and 4 cabinets for a brief period, thinking modular etc. 1 210+2 115's, 3 110's, 3 210's, 2 2x8's and a 112, and a 210 + 3 110's. For all the above applications I was using a GK2000rB, 1000 watts bridged or 500 a side at 4ohms which sounds similar to your thing.

There are some definite disadvantages in my book.

A. 4 any 112's are going to cost beaucoup more, maybe even up to a grand more than a single nice 212, a super 410, a 412, or a hybrid mixture of 10's and 12's.

B. If you can find a "light" version of any of these cabs, you're likely talking more volume than with 4 112's and tone wise, it obviously depends on your own preference.

C. For sure a single UL or Light version of the above cabinets are all about 60 pounds or less and big enough to put casters on it. So it's one trip in and out of a gig for cabinets, your preamp and head. Most decent 112 cabs are at least low to mid 30's weight wise, even in light versions.

D. My guess is that youre gonna have more low end available (don't have to necessarily use it all) from a larger single cabinet.

I found my head reacted totally different to the different ohmages created by mixing 1 to 4 cabs depending on the situation. As a first choice find something that's loud enough for your loudest of gigs, yet light enough and affordable enough with reasonable tone. As a second choice I would suggest either finding a 212 neoish cab you like as your "base" rig and perhaps a second cab like a 210 light or some other configuration that is equally as efficient as your other cabinet.

Good luck hunting.

 

[cb56]

Here is my 3 tall Aguilar GS112 stack.

I'm using a sansamp BDDI into a yamaha power amp 400 watts per side 4 ohms.
The reason I'm using 3 is not neccesarily for volume, although it is nice to have when needed, but to get one of the cabs up to closer ear level without losing coupling with the stage. The 3 cabs together are about as high as an Ampeg 610hlf cab. I am running the top 2 cabs (GS112 and GS112NT) on one side of the amp 200 watts each) , and the bottom cab (GS112nt) on the other side of the power amp at 275 watts 8ohm.
On boomy stages I am able to turn down the bottom cab reducing volume and low end.
Also comparing apples to apples, an Aguilar GS412 is $1100 street price. I bought my GS112 for $400, one GS112NT for $350 and one GS112Nt (blem, still haven't found the flaw) for $300, free shipping on all cabs btw. Grand total $1050 I was also able to buy each cab individually as I could afford them instead of plunking down the whole wad at once.
I would rather carry around three 40 pound cabs that I can easily lift over my head or onto a 4 foot high stage Than a 120 pound 412 cab. I also have the option of only as many cabs as I see fit. Can't do that with the 412, you're stuck with the big cab. If I have a long distance to haul the cabs after I unload from my truck, I have a hand cart that does the job nicely. Going up and down stairs? No contest.
So since the original poster already has two 112 cabs I still think he would be better off just getting one or two more and enjoy the flexability. All of this of course, is just my opinion.

 

[svtb15]

cb56.. i do the same thing when i use my power amp ... turning down or off the bottom cab in a boomy room.... with the cabs not on the floor they clean up a rather boomy stage

 

[cb56]

Yeah, I had a gig last week where I only brought the 2 cabs and wish I would have brought all 3. Real boomy hollow stage, couldn't hear myself (neither could anyone else in the band)and a soundman that swore all he could hear was bass. What a nightmare. If I would have had that 3rd cab up high,all problems would have been solved.