I think it’s a distinction without a difference, 810e vs two 410he’s. Some disagree and that is ok by me, but 3 hz down low difference isn’t very different to me.
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8x10 vs two-4x10s?
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The 410he is slightly smaller internal volume wise per speaker vs the 810e. And having done both many times, other than the 410he stack being a little taller, might as well be the same rig to me.
Sonically the differences with an 810 vs 2x410 that have the same drivers and similar mechanical design will sound pretty much the same.
2x410s would be more versatile, they're easier to pack into a car (810s in a car? yeah right) and they can be split up so that if you need a smaller set up, viola, just bring one cab!
'My' personal preference are for sealed cabs with no tweeter.
Good luck!
2x410s would be more versatile, they're easier to pack into a car (810s in a car? yeah right) and they can be split up so that if you need a smaller set up, viola, just bring one cab!
'My' personal preference are for sealed cabs with no tweeter.
Good luck!
I owned a 2x15” about the size of a 8x10” cab. It was actually easy to move and slide into the back of the wagon because of the castors on the back.
Getting it up lots of stairs though was a two man job. Two 4x10” cabs, it depends on the weight. I had a Hartke XL 4x10” that I always needed help with and a dolly to move it around.
Getting it up lots of stairs though was a two man job. Two 4x10” cabs, it depends on the weight. I had a Hartke XL 4x10” that I always needed help with and a dolly to move it around.
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Besides all of whats been said here (internal volume, dividers, sealed vs ported), and the schlep factor, the biggest thing I think of when thinking about this is the tweeter to driver ratio. 2 x 410 usually gets you 2 tweeters (1 per 4 10's), and an 810 either gets you 1 or zero tweeters, (depending on the cab). So, to really overgeneralize: modern music = 2 x 410's. classic music and a strong back = 810. Dont kill me for overboiling this down, lol
Not my experience at all! I'm way happier with my single 810 than the pain to load two 410 in my car! It's ten time easier now.
Wow, 10x easier, you must have a large car with a large trunk. I don't think I've ever owned a vehicle that could easily carry an 810 cab, maybe one day.
Well you sure did overboil it down to cataclysmic levels, but it's not worth going to prison, so don't worry about me
I'd add that I have never heard a stack with two tweeters that sounded good with both on. If you absolutely have to have a tweeter, I'd say just turn the top one on and that is plenty.
I did this for a while. And both tweeters were slightly lowered. It sounds pretty good! But it also depends on the tone your after. If closed and tweeter less cabs are your thing, it's obvious you won't enjoy such tone.
But I totally do.
Actually, yes, I own a large car. Two 410 were a real pain. One fender 810 neo cab is a pleasure to load. For real.
Now it's abvious the "car" factor plays a huge role. If you don't have the space for an 810 you don't have any other choice than two 410.
But a single 810 is way better than what I have owned before in my experience.
I should also point that the fender bass man neo is a very light cab for it's size.
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Well you sure did overboil it down to cataclysmic levels, but it's not worth going to prison, so don't worry about me
I'd add that I have never heard a stack with two tweeters that sounded good with both on. If you absolutely have to have a tweeter, I'd say just turn the top one on and that is plenty.
I mean, I think it really depends on the sound you’re after. I use a pair of 210s with both the tweeters at noon, And it’s a really good balanced sound for what I’m after, and bandmates and soundmen seem to really like it also. I don’t think two tweeters is overkill for eight 10 inch speakers but I like a nice present and airy top and with no clankiness.
I believe the concern is probably off-axis phasing. On a theoretical basis, a single point source tweeter should be best, and one tweeter is generally plenty loud. In practice I have not really noticed any degradation from running multiple tweeters in bass cabs. I have experimented with a few bass cabs and always preferred to run both tweeters. But I prefer cabs with extended HF response. There is no guarantee that every bass cab model will work this way. Probably best to experiment and make your own decisions with your own gear.
I have observed nastiness in the high range when various PA cabs are arrayed side by side. In my experience it takes very high-end PA cabs to mitigate this problem. The best I have ever used were Meyer UPA-1P
. Some PA horns produce fairly nasty phasing even when one cab is used.
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I believe the concern is probably off-axis phasing. On a theoretical basis, a single point source tweeter should be best, and one tweeter is generally plenty loud. In practice I have not really noticed any degradation from running multiple tweeters in bass cabs. I have experimented with a few bass cabs and always preferred to run both tweeters. But I prefer cabs with extended HF response. There is no guarantee that every bass cab model will work this way. Probably best to experiment and make your own decisions with your own gear.
I have observed nastiness in the high range when various PA cabs are arrayed side by side. In my experience it takes very high-end PA cabs to mitigate this problem. The best I have ever used were Meyer UPA-1P
Some PA horns produce fairly nasty phasing even when one cab is used.
100% my set up sounds better with the 210 cabs stacked vertically. The few times I’ve tried it side-by-side it was more than underwhelming. Seems to me like vertical stacking works better in almost every situation. I see some guys run 410s on the ground next to each other, like Marcus for example. Obviously it must work well for him but I’ve never had much luck
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You can get that in yourself? With the head?
Egads man, what are you doing to your car?
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Yeah. Tip, push. It weighs as much as I do, and the weight is distributed across the entire car.
If you can't lift your own weight, there's a far more serious problem going on.
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I appreciate the responses. I was just curious since it's not a "test" that I'll probably ever be in a position to check in-person. I'm probably restricted to a single 4x10, regardless. The "resonance" was something that I was really curious about.
As far as personal "sonic choice"...I gravitate towards a warm, rounder sound. To use a really poor synonym...a more "vintage" tone. I don't "think" I really need a tweeter, I think I can get all the highs and presence that "I" might want, without them.(?)
As far as personal "sonic choice"...I gravitate towards a warm, rounder sound. To use a really poor synonym...a more "vintage" tone. I don't "think" I really need a tweeter, I think I can get all the highs and presence that "I" might want, without them.(?)
